Steve talked about a lot of things - and even more to his direct reports. But the only people who would have proof are also people who would never talk about it

Steve talked about a lot of things - and even more to his direct reports. But the only people who would have proof are also people who would never talk about it. I also worked for a direct report of Bill Gates and a direct report of Larry Ellison. They did the same types of things - often illegal. But everybody who was involved is very motivated to never talk about it. I may be one of the few people who turned down executive positions when offered - I didn't like the "business values".