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Remember, though, Milo wasn't banned for his views. He was banned for repeatedly violating the ToS.

by s73ver 10y ago

olewhalehunter 10y ago
that selective enforcement happened because of his views
- manicdee 10y ago
  Is it hard work shifting those goalposts so often?
  - olewhalehunter 10y ago
    ?
- s73ver 10y ago
  No, it didn't.
twitterta5902 10y ago
Selective enforcement.
deleted 10y ago
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klasjdflkj 10y ago
There have been many right-wing accounts banned that were much better behaved than Milo. Twitter definitely censors based on progressive American sensitivities: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/silence-frogs-why-twitter-censoring-harmless-pepe-accounts-1608780 http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/silence-frogs-why-twitter-censoring...
- odbol_ 10y ago
  Is that article some kind of joke? Using flowery academic language to defend what basically amounts to children posting trolling memes that make fun of fat people. Also, it did not cite a single source backing up your claims. Can you try to be a bit more specific?
  - cyphar 10y ago
    There are countless "liberals" who have called for the murder of straight white men on Twitter (as a very simple example see the #KillAllMen hashtag). They weren't banned, despite being against the fabled "terms of service". But if someone criticises a feminist or other "liberal" group, they are likely to get banned. To pretend there isn't a clear bias by Twitter is just being disingenuous. I say this as someone who very left on most issues, its quite depressing seeing everything descend into authoritarianism.
    - alphapapa 10y ago
      > I say this as someone who very left on most issues, its quite depressing seeing everything descend into authoritarianism. I appreciate your even-mindedness. Question: do you honestly not see leftism as naturally decaying into authoritarianism?
      - tnone 10y ago
        There is this weird effect in American politics where each wing considers the other to be the authoritarian one. The American right loves its military industrial complex, its police crackdowns, its bank bailouts, its manifest destiny, and so on. These are not left wing institutions in creed or membership. You could ask the same question: do you not see rightism (ingroup loyalty, moral purity, respect for authority) as naturally decaying into authoritarianism?
        alphapapa 10y ago
        > There is this weird effect in American politics where each wing considers the other to be the authoritarian one. It is weird, in a way, yes. I think, though, that when you think from each side's point of view, it makes sense that that's the case. > The American right loves its military industrial complex, its police crackdowns, its bank bailouts, its manifest destiny, and so on. These are not left wing institutions in creed or membership. I think you are painting with too broad a brush. There is far more nuance in what is considered "the American right" than you imply. Five minutes on the Internet and you can find people who are obviously considered "on the right" who don't agree with any of those things. > You could ask the same question: do you not see rightism (ingroup loyalty, moral purity, respect for authority) as naturally decaying into authoritarianism? I would ask you to more clearly define rightism, because those three things are just as prevalent on the left, if not moreso.
AOsborn 10y ago
> Remember, though, Milo wasn't banned for his views. Or, he was, and the ToS raised as public justification.
- ascorbic 10y ago
  Then why haven't they banned the thousands of other users with more extreme views who avoid breaching the ToS?
  - cookiecaper 10y ago
    Because no one listens to them. There's no point dirtying your hands on people who are screaming into the void.
- s73ver 10y ago
  Or, he did break the ToS, and that was that. Richard Spencer is still on Twitter, despite being an actual, self identified Nazi.
nailer 10y ago
Specifically what terms did he violate? Twitter's only statement is that some of Milo's followers behaved badly. If they followed this rule consistently they'd ban a lot of popular left leaning accounts to. Instead, left-leaning accounts that directly violate the Terms of Service by doxxing others (Shanley publishing Milo's cell phone number) and advocate for violence (various self-styled 'antifa' accounts) remain up. Yes, legally you have no right to free speech on a non-government platform. But as a Twitter user - and a left leaning person - I'd rather not have my platform dictate who I can and can't listen to.
- s73ver 10y ago
  The story of Milo and the terms he broke has been widely publicized. He broke those terms, and that is not in question. Other people's behavior has absolutely nothing to do with Milo being banned for his behavior.
  - nailer 10y ago
    You'e new here. Generally on HN, someone asking for a reference is responded to with a reference. If it's not in question - it is BTW - you'll be able to find one. > Other people's behavior has absolutely nothing to do with Milo being banned for his behavior. Indeed, it simply calls into question why Twitter seems to ignore the Terms of Service for some users while apply it to other users for the actions of their followers.

Remember, though, Milo wasn't banned for his views. He was banned for repeatedly violating the ToS.

by s73ver 10y ago

Remember, though, Milo wasn't banned for his views. He was banned for repeatedly violating the ToS.

olewhalehunter 10y ago

that selective enforcement happened because of his views

manicdee 10y ago
Is it hard work shifting those goalposts so often?
- olewhalehunter 10y ago
  ?
s73ver 10y ago
No, it didn't.

twitterta5902 10y ago

Selective enforcement.

deleted 10y ago

[deleted]

klasjdflkj 10y ago

There have been many right-wing accounts banned that were much better behaved than Milo. Twitter definitely censors based on progressive American sensitivities: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/silence-frogs-why-twitter-censoring-harmless-pepe-accounts-1608780 http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/silence-frogs-why-twitter-censoring...

odbol_ 10y ago
Is that article some kind of joke? Using flowery academic language to defend what basically amounts to children posting trolling memes that make fun of fat people. Also, it did not cite a single source backing up your claims. Can you try to be a bit more specific?
- cyphar 10y ago
  There are countless "liberals" who have called for the murder of straight white men on Twitter (as a very simple example see the #KillAllMen hashtag). They weren't banned, despite being against the fabled "terms of service". But if someone criticises a feminist or other "liberal" group, they are likely to get banned. To pretend there isn't a clear bias by Twitter is just being disingenuous. I say this as someone who very left on most issues, its quite depressing seeing everything descend into authoritarianism.
  - alphapapa 10y ago
    > I say this as someone who very left on most issues, its quite depressing seeing everything descend into authoritarianism. I appreciate your even-mindedness. Question: do you honestly not see leftism as naturally decaying into authoritarianism?
    - tnone 10y ago
      There is this weird effect in American politics where each wing considers the other to be the authoritarian one. The American right loves its military industrial complex, its police crackdowns, its bank bailouts, its manifest destiny, and so on. These are not left wing institutions in creed or membership. You could ask the same question: do you not see rightism (ingroup loyalty, moral purity, respect for authority) as naturally decaying into authoritarianism?
      - alphapapa 10y ago
        > There is this weird effect in American politics where each wing considers the other to be the authoritarian one. It is weird, in a way, yes. I think, though, that when you think from each side's point of view, it makes sense that that's the case. > The American right loves its military industrial complex, its police crackdowns, its bank bailouts, its manifest destiny, and so on. These are not left wing institutions in creed or membership. I think you are painting with too broad a brush. There is far more nuance in what is considered "the American right" than you imply. Five minutes on the Internet and you can find people who are obviously considered "on the right" who don't agree with any of those things. > You could ask the same question: do you not see rightism (ingroup loyalty, moral purity, respect for authority) as naturally decaying into authoritarianism? I would ask you to more clearly define rightism, because those three things are just as prevalent on the left, if not moreso.

AOsborn 10y ago

> Remember, though, Milo wasn't banned for his views. Or, he was, and the ToS raised as public justification.

ascorbic 10y ago
Then why haven't they banned the thousands of other users with more extreme views who avoid breaching the ToS?
- cookiecaper 10y ago
  Because no one listens to them. There's no point dirtying your hands on people who are screaming into the void.
s73ver 10y ago
Or, he did break the ToS, and that was that. Richard Spencer is still on Twitter, despite being an actual, self identified Nazi.

nailer 10y ago

Specifically what terms did he violate? Twitter's only statement is that some of Milo's followers behaved badly. If they followed this rule consistently they'd ban a lot of popular left leaning accounts to. Instead, left-leaning accounts that directly violate the Terms of Service by doxxing others (Shanley publishing Milo's cell phone number) and advocate for violence (various self-styled 'antifa' accounts) remain up. Yes, legally you have no right to free speech on a non-government platform. But as a Twitter user - and a left leaning person - I'd rather not have my platform dictate who I can and can't listen to.

s73ver 10y ago
The story of Milo and the terms he broke has been widely publicized. He broke those terms, and that is not in question. Other people's behavior has absolutely nothing to do with Milo being banned for his behavior.
- nailer 10y ago
  You'e new here. Generally on HN, someone asking for a reference is responded to with a reference. If it's not in question - it is BTW - you'll be able to find one. > Other people's behavior has absolutely nothing to do with Milo being banned for his behavior. Indeed, it simply calls into question why Twitter seems to ignore the Terms of Service for some users while apply it to other users for the actions of their followers.