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> suicide rates for transgender individuals are around 45%. If that were true, it would be alarming and possibly grounds for involuntary commitment based on so

> suicide rates for transgender individuals are around 45%. If that were true, it would be alarming and possibly grounds for involuntary commitment based on someone being trans. Fortunately it is not true.

pseudalopex 10y ago
Being in a high risk group isn't grounds for involuntary commitment.
- empthought 10y ago
  There is no group (including trans people) with such a "high risk" of suicide, outside of people who meet the criteria for involuntary commitment because they are at risk of suicide.
  - pseudalopex 10y ago
    For one thing, that isn't true. People with certain mental illnesses and a history of suicide attempts have lifetime suicide rates in that range. More importantly, involuntarily committing someone for suicide risk requires evidence of suicidal behavior or thought.
Raphmedia 10y ago
Sorry, English isn't my primary language. What I meant by suicide rates is indeed attempted suicide. It would be really scary if all of those succeeded. I wouldn't dismiss unsuccessful suicides. Someone who doesn't succeed or turn back before committing isn't cured or any happier and may very well attempt again or live under a black cloud of depression and stress. As for your comment on involuntary commitment, it makes no sense. There is a well known "cure" for gender dysphoria and it is gender transition. "after treatment, 26 (2.4%) of the MTF subjects and 7 (1.4%) of the FTM subjects still reported depression"[1]. According to this study, only 2.4% still report depression after transition. There are more studies reporting similar results, find them yourself. [1] http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/827713 http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/827713 Edit: I've reread your post and your other post. I understand that your comment on involuntary commitment was meant if my mistake was true and the successful suicide rate was indeed 45%.

pseudalopex 10y ago

Being in a high risk group isn't grounds for involuntary commitment.

empthought 10y ago
There is no group (including trans people) with such a "high risk" of suicide, outside of people who meet the criteria for involuntary commitment because they are at risk of suicide.
- pseudalopex 10y ago
  For one thing, that isn't true. People with certain mental illnesses and a history of suicide attempts have lifetime suicide rates in that range. More importantly, involuntarily committing someone for suicide risk requires evidence of suicidal behavior or thought.

Raphmedia 10y ago

Sorry, English isn't my primary language. What I meant by suicide rates is indeed attempted suicide. It would be really scary if all of those succeeded. I wouldn't dismiss unsuccessful suicides. Someone who doesn't succeed or turn back before committing isn't cured or any happier and may very well attempt again or live under a black cloud of depression and stress. As for your comment on involuntary commitment, it makes no sense. There is a well known "cure" for gender dysphoria and it is gender transition. "after treatment, 26 (2.4%) of the MTF subjects and 7 (1.4%) of the FTM subjects still reported depression"[1]. According to this study, only 2.4% still report depression after transition. There are more studies reporting similar results, find them yourself. [1] http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/827713 http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/827713 Edit: I've reread your post and your other post. I understand that your comment on involuntary commitment was meant if my mistake was true and the successful suicide rate was indeed 45%.