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Not to mention how they removed MagSafe which is possibly one of the best Apple inventions.

emptythought 9y ago
I don't understand how this wasn't the bigger news. Touch bar, meh, most people don't care either way. Price increase? it's apple. Everyone i've talked to who got one laments the loss of magsafe, though. I've also heard at least one person offline say they were less interested in buying one because of that
- selectodude 9y ago
  The loss of MagSafe is far outweighed by the fact that I can plug the power cable into either side of the laptop and charge my laptop using the same portable battery pack that I use to charge my phone. Literally doubles my time away from a plug. Also. I like the Touch Bar a lot. This laptop had some real software problems on release, but at this point with 10.12.4, I'm an enormous fan. I find there are a lot of opinions from people who don't own one. Maybe it's just me.
- carsongross 9y ago
  If only this weren't scam-ware, we'd have a decent solution: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1041610927/znaps-the-9-magnetic-adapter-for-your-mobile-devic https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1041610927/znaps-the-9-... The cynical side of me wonders if apple is doing this whole screw the ecosystem up (monitor, mac pro, magsafe, time capsule, etc) so they can rescue it and get another round of upgrades out of it.
  - milesf 9y ago
    How do you know this is scam-ware? Looks plausible and possible to me. What am I missing?
    - carsongross 9y ago
      Check the comments: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1041610927/znaps-the-9-magnetic-adapter-for-your-mobile-devic/comments https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1041610927/znaps-the-9-... It's too good an idea to not be implemented eventually. In fact, a low profile, magnetic data/power form factor should probably be the next iteration of USB-C.
kevhsu 9y ago
OTOH, you can now use a standard charger that is shared with increasingly many new devices. How many people are actually knocking laptops off tables because of the power cord?
- jessriedel 9y ago
  > How many people are actually knocking laptops off tables because of the power cord? I would say I did this at least twice a month.
  - posguy 9y ago
    Does the USB C cable not disconnect? From the ones that I've played with, it seems fine. The force required to disconnect USB C cables from a port is less than Magsafe, and the results are the same. Also, remember Apple designed USB C, with half the engineering talent that worked on the standard coming from Cupertino. They've specifically thought all these use cases and issues through, to build a solid connector for the next decade.
    - falcolas 9y ago
      > They've specifically thought all these use cases and issues through, to build a solid connector for the next decade. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. It's a decent connector, but it still has a limited lifespan (all connectors with mechanical pieces or interference fits do), and isn't going to release from shear force applied to the connector. Even if it does release, it will be after wrenching both the computer and connector inside the computer, neither of which is great for long life.
    - crazygringo 9y ago
      If you pull it out straight? Of course it's fine. If you accidentally yank it up or down? It's like it's glued in there. 45° angle? Also glued in there. MagSafe, the whole point was it didn't matter what angle it was pulled, it would separate easily and with no damage.
- irq 9y ago

I don't understand how this wasn't the bigger news. Touch bar, meh, most people don't care either way. Price increase? it's apple. Everyone i've talked to who got one laments the loss of magsafe, though. I've also heard at least one person offline say they were less interested in buying one because of that

selectodude 9y ago
The loss of MagSafe is far outweighed by the fact that I can plug the power cable into either side of the laptop and charge my laptop using the same portable battery pack that I use to charge my phone. Literally doubles my time away from a plug. Also. I like the Touch Bar a lot. This laptop had some real software problems on release, but at this point with 10.12.4, I'm an enormous fan. I find there are a lot of opinions from people who don't own one. Maybe it's just me.
carsongross 9y ago
If only this weren't scam-ware, we'd have a decent solution: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1041610927/znaps-the-9-magnetic-adapter-for-your-mobile-devic https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1041610927/znaps-the-9-... The cynical side of me wonders if apple is doing this whole screw the ecosystem up (monitor, mac pro, magsafe, time capsule, etc) so they can rescue it and get another round of upgrades out of it.
- milesf 9y ago
  How do you know this is scam-ware? Looks plausible and possible to me. What am I missing?
  - carsongross 9y ago
    Check the comments: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1041610927/znaps-the-9-magnetic-adapter-for-your-mobile-devic/comments https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1041610927/znaps-the-9-... It's too good an idea to not be implemented eventually. In fact, a low profile, magnetic data/power form factor should probably be the next iteration of USB-C.

kevhsu 9y ago

OTOH, you can now use a standard charger that is shared with increasingly many new devices. How many people are actually knocking laptops off tables because of the power cord?

jessriedel 9y ago
> How many people are actually knocking laptops off tables because of the power cord? I would say I did this at least twice a month.
- posguy 9y ago
  Does the USB C cable not disconnect? From the ones that I've played with, it seems fine. The force required to disconnect USB C cables from a port is less than Magsafe, and the results are the same. Also, remember Apple designed USB C, with half the engineering talent that worked on the standard coming from Cupertino. They've specifically thought all these use cases and issues through, to build a solid connector for the next decade.
  - falcolas 9y ago
    > They've specifically thought all these use cases and issues through, to build a solid connector for the next decade. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. It's a decent connector, but it still has a limited lifespan (all connectors with mechanical pieces or interference fits do), and isn't going to release from shear force applied to the connector. Even if it does release, it will be after wrenching both the computer and connector inside the computer, neither of which is great for long life.
  - crazygringo 9y ago
    If you pull it out straight? Of course it's fine. If you accidentally yank it up or down? It's like it's glued in there. 45° angle? Also glued in there. MagSafe, the whole point was it didn't matter what angle it was pulled, it would separate easily and with no damage.
irq 9y ago