> I'm not sure how what I mean for 'us' is difficult to grasp. Human societies? This is actually a kinda fundamental thing. I think one big (if not the biggest

> I'm not sure how what I mean for 'us' is difficult to grasp. Human societies? This is actually a kinda fundamental thing. I think one big (if not the biggest) reason people often talk past each other on such topics is that the concept of a society as an entity that is endowed with agency and preferences seems natural to some people and absurd to others, and it rarely explicitly comes up precisely because both beliefs are so fundamental. Also, few people literally hold that markets provide "better solutions for everybody that any kind of central planning", at least in the short run. Trivially, a central planner who imposes a 1% tax on all incomes and keeps all proceeds for himself is going to be much better off with central planning :)