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This is unfortunate. Private, everyone consenting. Who cares

by cheez 10y ago

bitwize 10y ago
People get fired from actual jobs for far less. The evidence suggests that this guy is a creep whose Gorean fantasies are linked to regressive views of women in the real world. Allowing such a person to have a significant contributory, let alone leadership, role in an open source community is bound to leave other contributors massively uncomfortable. To avoid distruption to the community, the community exercised its right to exclude such a person.
- ajhurliman 10y ago
  "this guy is a creep whose Gorean fantasies are linked to regressive views" Judging people for the type of sex they have? Isn't this the same sort of reasoning that led to persecuting the LGBT+ community?
- DocTomoe 10y ago
  Is it their right? Yeah, probably. Is it right? Let's apply a simple test here. Let's replace every mention of "Gor" or "BDSM" with "Bear" and "Homosexuality". Suddenly, it is clear that the actions actually are puritan kink-shaming. Mentioning someone's sexual deviancies in public like this also comes close to character assassination in the age of the Google. So what is the result of this? We got one developer/manager ousted, and we got a project that has lost some talent and created a rift between those who do not want to be associated with hate crimes and those who get offended by what happens in other people's bedrooms. In the end, everyone loses.
- dash2 10y ago
  What evidence?
  - micheljones 10y ago
    None. This guy is an SJW trying to virtue-signal.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  > Allowing such a person to have a significant contributory, let alone leadership, role in an open source community is bound to leave other contributors massively uncomfortable. I suggest Drupal find adult contributors then who can contribute. Being uncomfortable or offended isn't a protected class, and you have no business contributing to a public project if you're going to exile or shame colleagues due to their private lives. It seems the "Code Of Conduct" has jumped the shark and become a weaponized tool for witch hunts.
  - micheljones 10y ago
    It didn't just 'jump the shark' recently, it was designed with this goal in mind.
    - cheez 10y ago
      I'm surprised by how many people didn't see this coming. Rules are intended to weed out undesirables, for whatever reason, even if not objectively moral.
- ng12 10y ago
  > People get fired from actual jobs for far less. Hell no they don't. If Mr. Garfield were a salaried employee he would have a juicy lawsuit in his hands.
  - bitwize 10y ago
    U.S. antidiscrimination law outlaws termination on the basis of one or more of several protected categories which include race, religion, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, and I believe age.There are other things you can't be fired for, such as taking maternity leave, or conplaining with others about working conditions (if you are the sole complainant, you can be fired). You can be fired for just about any reason outside of these. And I don't think BDSM or Goreanism count as protected sexual orientations.
    - ng12 10y ago
      Is there not a reasonable argument that he was fired for being an avowed heterosexual? I don't think any company would touch the issue with a ten foot pole.
    - DocTomoe 10y ago
      > And I don't think BDSM or Goreanism count as protected sexual orientations. I think the answer to that question would make a couple of lawyers pretty affluent.
- micheljones 10y ago
  The tolerant left speaks again. Thank you for your help in getting president Donald Trump elected.
- gspetr 10y ago
  > The evidence suggests that this guy is a creep whose Gorean fantasies are linked to regressive views of women in the real world. Allowing such a person to have a significant contributory, let alone leadership, role in an open source community is bound to leave other contributors massively uncomfortable. Would you allow a muslim to have a "significant contributory"? It is quite lawful to have female sex slaves in Islam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_malakat_aymanukum#Sexual_intercourse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_malakat_aymanukum#Sexual_in...
- jimmywanger 10y ago
  Exactly the same thing happened with Mozilla and the CEO resignation because of his opposition to and donation against gay marriage. What's next, people with conservative political leaning being banned from writing software?
  - DocTomoe 10y ago
    Surprisingly, this trend started way before sexual issues got intermingled with technology. Remember esr, who got shunned for his libertarian and pro-gun-ownership views?

This is unfortunate. Private, everyone consenting. Who cares

by cheez 10y ago

This is unfortunate. Private, everyone consenting. Who cares

People get fired from actual jobs for far less. The evidence suggests that this guy is a creep whose Gorean fantasies are linked to regressive views of women in the real world. Allowing such a person to have a significant contributory, let alone leadership, role in an open source community is bound to leave other contributors massively uncomfortable. To avoid distruption to the community, the community exercised its right to exclude such a person.

ajhurliman 10y ago
"this guy is a creep whose Gorean fantasies are linked to regressive views" Judging people for the type of sex they have? Isn't this the same sort of reasoning that led to persecuting the LGBT+ community?
DocTomoe 10y ago
Is it their right? Yeah, probably. Is it right? Let's apply a simple test here. Let's replace every mention of "Gor" or "BDSM" with "Bear" and "Homosexuality". Suddenly, it is clear that the actions actually are puritan kink-shaming. Mentioning someone's sexual deviancies in public like this also comes close to character assassination in the age of the Google. So what is the result of this? We got one developer/manager ousted, and we got a project that has lost some talent and created a rift between those who do not want to be associated with hate crimes and those who get offended by what happens in other people's bedrooms. In the end, everyone loses.
dash2 10y ago
What evidence?
- micheljones 10y ago
  None. This guy is an SJW trying to virtue-signal.
toomuchtodo 10y ago
> Allowing such a person to have a significant contributory, let alone leadership, role in an open source community is bound to leave other contributors massively uncomfortable. I suggest Drupal find adult contributors then who can contribute. Being uncomfortable or offended isn't a protected class, and you have no business contributing to a public project if you're going to exile or shame colleagues due to their private lives. It seems the "Code Of Conduct" has jumped the shark and become a weaponized tool for witch hunts.
- micheljones 10y ago
  It didn't just 'jump the shark' recently, it was designed with this goal in mind.
  - cheez 10y ago
    I'm surprised by how many people didn't see this coming. Rules are intended to weed out undesirables, for whatever reason, even if not objectively moral.
ng12 10y ago
> People get fired from actual jobs for far less. Hell no they don't. If Mr. Garfield were a salaried employee he would have a juicy lawsuit in his hands.
- bitwize 10y ago
  U.S. antidiscrimination law outlaws termination on the basis of one or more of several protected categories which include race, religion, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, and I believe age.There are other things you can't be fired for, such as taking maternity leave, or conplaining with others about working conditions (if you are the sole complainant, you can be fired). You can be fired for just about any reason outside of these. And I don't think BDSM or Goreanism count as protected sexual orientations.
  - ng12 10y ago
    Is there not a reasonable argument that he was fired for being an avowed heterosexual? I don't think any company would touch the issue with a ten foot pole.
  - DocTomoe 10y ago
    > And I don't think BDSM or Goreanism count as protected sexual orientations. I think the answer to that question would make a couple of lawyers pretty affluent.
micheljones 10y ago
The tolerant left speaks again. Thank you for your help in getting president Donald Trump elected.
gspetr 10y ago
> The evidence suggests that this guy is a creep whose Gorean fantasies are linked to regressive views of women in the real world. Allowing such a person to have a significant contributory, let alone leadership, role in an open source community is bound to leave other contributors massively uncomfortable. Would you allow a muslim to have a "significant contributory"? It is quite lawful to have female sex slaves in Islam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_malakat_aymanukum#Sexual_intercourse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_malakat_aymanukum#Sexual_in...
jimmywanger 10y ago
Exactly the same thing happened with Mozilla and the CEO resignation because of his opposition to and donation against gay marriage. What's next, people with conservative political leaning being banned from writing software?
- DocTomoe 10y ago
  Surprisingly, this trend started way before sexual issues got intermingled with technology. Remember esr, who got shunned for his libertarian and pro-gun-ownership views?