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Wouldn't the point really be about applying pressure to those able to fix the problem? The sad reality is that business reasons have prompted developers to supp

by ary 16y ago

Wouldn't the point really be about applying pressure to those able to fix the problem? The sad reality is that business reasons have prompted developers to support IE6 and thus kept the problems out of the user's field of view. Much like my experience with giving demos in the workplace, out in the world broken has to appear "broken" for anyone to care about fixing it. Purposefully making IE6 appear broken is the means to this end. Glad we all feel sorry for IE6 users though.

jodrellblank 16y ago
And the counter is: If IE6 doesn't already appear broken to people out in the world already, in what sense that they care about is it broken?
- ary 16y ago
  I fail to see how that is a counter point. It doesn't appear to be broken because the effort of the developers required to support it. The rough edges that remain are too nuanced for the average person to notice. More and more IE6 is being left behind, but the holdouts, mostly in the corporate sphere, are going to need massive user pressure to get the internal IT machine moving.
  - jodrellblank 16y ago
    It's a counter point because the kind of big bureaucratic custom website laden company which is stuck on IE6 doesn't give a damn that it takes you two months instead of one. It's about as compelling as saying COBOL isn't much fun, how about you rewrite all your apps in Ruby-on-Rails because then my life will be more pleasant. The real way to make ie6 go away is to charge so much to make any site work on it that there's a real economic imperative for companies to pause for thought and consider replanning. When it doesn't cost a lot and your main argument is "why not rework your IT system because one bit of my job is a bit fiddly and boring" that's not such a compelling reason. See also CORBA, SOAP, COM, and endless other technologies which aren't fun but companies pay for and people work on anyway.

by ary 16y ago

jodrellblank 16y ago

And the counter is: If IE6 doesn't already appear broken to people out in the world already, in what sense that they care about is it broken?

ary 16y ago
I fail to see how that is a counter point. It doesn't appear to be broken because the effort of the developers required to support it. The rough edges that remain are too nuanced for the average person to notice. More and more IE6 is being left behind, but the holdouts, mostly in the corporate sphere, are going to need massive user pressure to get the internal IT machine moving.
- jodrellblank 16y ago
  It's a counter point because the kind of big bureaucratic custom website laden company which is stuck on IE6 doesn't give a damn that it takes you two months instead of one. It's about as compelling as saying COBOL isn't much fun, how about you rewrite all your apps in Ruby-on-Rails because then my life will be more pleasant. The real way to make ie6 go away is to charge so much to make any site work on it that there's a real economic imperative for companies to pause for thought and consider replanning. When it doesn't cost a lot and your main argument is "why not rework your IT system because one bit of my job is a bit fiddly and boring" that's not such a compelling reason. See also CORBA, SOAP, COM, and endless other technologies which aren't fun but companies pay for and people work on anyway.