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Hey Dustin, thanks for the follow-up! In your original story, I posted a request for Canonical to come up with some viable strategy to get Adobe CS (and relate

Hey Dustin, thanks for the follow-up! In your original story, I posted a request for Canonical to come up with some viable strategy to get Adobe CS (and related color-calibration HW/SW) usable on Ubuntu. I expected a lot of traction for that suggestion, because AFAICT a lot of creative professionals are looking for a way to escape the Windows/Mac duopoly. However, it looks like my suggestion didn't make the cut for the list you just posted. Can you share any thoughts on why getting Adobe CS usable on Ubuntu is / isn't a strategic priority for Canonical?

GuiA 10y ago
How much of that work would fall on the shoulders of Adobe, rather than Canonical?
rlpb 10y ago
Adobe CS is proprietary software owned by Adobe. What do you propose Canonical do? What makes you think there exists any viable strategy that Canonical could follow?
- alkonaut 10y ago
  As I have said before - the second there is even a rumor that Adobe would allow (license wise) for their products to run outside Win/Mac, the correct business decision for apple would be to buy Adobe and ensure that hole is closed very quickly.
dustinkirkland 10y ago
Hey there! Thanks for the suggestion. We're engaging with dozens of major vendors of traditional/proprietary software about delivering their software onto Ubuntu via Snaps -- which is a new packaging format that solves many of the traditional problems associated with proprietary software working well on Linux. I'm going to ask Evan Dandrea and Michael Hall from Canonical to engage with Adobe around CS and anything else in their suite that might make sense to Snap. Cheers! @dustinkirkland
- monort 10y ago
  Adobe Photoshop CS6 works almost perfectly in wine, but Photoshop CC isn't working. Probably, it can be fixed easily.
  - ChajusSaib 10y ago
    I'll have to disagree with you there. There are still many bugs and it's slower than on Windows. I would much prefer to have it without installing Wine.
  - mhall119 10y ago
    You can create a snap with Wine and a windows application together, which is one route this might go. However, because Photoshop isn't open source, we wouldn't have a legal ability to distribute it.
- DoofusOfDeath 10y ago
  If we were in the same room right now, I'd give you, Evan, and Michael all a big hug. We'd all feel awkward afterwards. It would be worth it. But seriously, thanks for giving it some consideration. Fingers crossed.
- greenhatman 10y ago
  I think for many web front-end developers, the only thing keeping them on Mac, is not being able to use Adobe tools on Linux.
- kahnpro 10y ago
  I'm sure there are so many web devs, myself included, who would use Ubuntu professionally if only tools like Adobe and Sketch worked on it. I know it's not directly Ubuntu's problem, but solving this problem will go a looooong way towards developer adoption.
jasonkostempski 10y ago
I fear there'd have to be some sort of deal-with-the-devil thing to make that happen. Is getting subscription based desktop software into the Linux ecosystem a good precedent to set? Maybe there are already examples of it but certainly not at the Adobe CS scale. I think Ubuntu could better serve the community by paying talented developers to work on an alternative.
- TomMarius 10y ago
  Reinventing the wheel is almost never a better option, especially not when the users are actually happy with the current option.
- greenhatman 10y ago
  There is no way to replace Adobe tools easily. It's definitely worth it to try and get Adobe tools working on Linux.
  - jasonkostempski 10y ago
    I'll donate $100 to Canonical if they can convince them to offer a one-time-fee option and I don't even use Adobe products.
akurilin 10y ago
Would be great to have Lightroom / Photoshop CC work on Ubuntu. Not as interested in Premiere, as DaVinci Resolve comes in a Linux flavor. Also any chance we get solid support for Wacom on there as well?
mhall119 10y ago
Hey there, Dustin asked me to chime in. We would of course love to have Adobe's software available to Ubuntu users, and would do whatever we could to help make that happen. However, as far as I know there is no Linux port of these products, which really limits our ability to even start on it. Likewise the software license limits our ability to share it without Adobe's approval even if we could package it. The best thing that Canonical can do, and indeed what we are doing now, is to provide stable platform for Adobe to target and the tools to make it as easy as possible for them to do that. Ultimately the only thing that will sway Adobe are their own customers showing a demand for those products on Ubuntu. The more they hear from Ubuntu users who want to buy their software, or people who have bought their software who want to use it on Ubuntu, the more willing they will be do make it happen. And when they're ready, Canonical will make sure that Ubuntu is an inviting and worthwhile platform for them to distribute their software on.
- tajen 10y ago
  > There's nothing in their license ... that's not a suggestion for you, but we should probably set up a pirate PPA with already-cracked versions of Adobe software, ported to Linux. It's evil, but it proves that the demand exists and would allow developers to work of Linux.
- jitl 10y ago
  What I want is not free Photoshop on every Ubuntu CD. Instead, work on WINE! Devote engineers to fixing bugs in WINE that block the latest versions of Creative Cloud from running. If WINE was rock solid stable for creative applications -- and promoted as so by Canonical -- I think you'd see many more people switching. If you can sell Windows applications (with WINE included) in your store, that's all the better.
  - braveo 10y ago
    a lot of purists explicitly hate that idea, and I can understand why. I'm not for or against it, myself.
- marsRoverDev 10y ago

GuiA 10y ago

How much of that work would fall on the shoulders of Adobe, rather than Canonical?

rlpb 10y ago

Adobe CS is proprietary software owned by Adobe. What do you propose Canonical do? What makes you think there exists any viable strategy that Canonical could follow?

alkonaut 10y ago
As I have said before - the second there is even a rumor that Adobe would allow (license wise) for their products to run outside Win/Mac, the correct business decision for apple would be to buy Adobe and ensure that hole is closed very quickly.

dustinkirkland 10y ago

Hey there! Thanks for the suggestion. We're engaging with dozens of major vendors of traditional/proprietary software about delivering their software onto Ubuntu via Snaps -- which is a new packaging format that solves many of the traditional problems associated with proprietary software working well on Linux. I'm going to ask Evan Dandrea and Michael Hall from Canonical to engage with Adobe around CS and anything else in their suite that might make sense to Snap. Cheers! @dustinkirkland

monort 10y ago
Adobe Photoshop CS6 works almost perfectly in wine, but Photoshop CC isn't working. Probably, it can be fixed easily.
- ChajusSaib 10y ago
  I'll have to disagree with you there. There are still many bugs and it's slower than on Windows. I would much prefer to have it without installing Wine.
- mhall119 10y ago
  You can create a snap with Wine and a windows application together, which is one route this might go. However, because Photoshop isn't open source, we wouldn't have a legal ability to distribute it.
DoofusOfDeath 10y ago
If we were in the same room right now, I'd give you, Evan, and Michael all a big hug. We'd all feel awkward afterwards. It would be worth it. But seriously, thanks for giving it some consideration. Fingers crossed.
greenhatman 10y ago
I think for many web front-end developers, the only thing keeping them on Mac, is not being able to use Adobe tools on Linux.
kahnpro 10y ago
I'm sure there are so many web devs, myself included, who would use Ubuntu professionally if only tools like Adobe and Sketch worked on it. I know it's not directly Ubuntu's problem, but solving this problem will go a looooong way towards developer adoption.

jasonkostempski 10y ago

I fear there'd have to be some sort of deal-with-the-devil thing to make that happen. Is getting subscription based desktop software into the Linux ecosystem a good precedent to set? Maybe there are already examples of it but certainly not at the Adobe CS scale. I think Ubuntu could better serve the community by paying talented developers to work on an alternative.

TomMarius 10y ago
Reinventing the wheel is almost never a better option, especially not when the users are actually happy with the current option.
greenhatman 10y ago
There is no way to replace Adobe tools easily. It's definitely worth it to try and get Adobe tools working on Linux.
- jasonkostempski 10y ago
  I'll donate $100 to Canonical if they can convince them to offer a one-time-fee option and I don't even use Adobe products.

akurilin 10y ago

Would be great to have Lightroom / Photoshop CC work on Ubuntu. Not as interested in Premiere, as DaVinci Resolve comes in a Linux flavor. Also any chance we get solid support for Wacom on there as well?

mhall119 10y ago

Hey there, Dustin asked me to chime in. We would of course love to have Adobe's software available to Ubuntu users, and would do whatever we could to help make that happen. However, as far as I know there is no Linux port of these products, which really limits our ability to even start on it. Likewise the software license limits our ability to share it without Adobe's approval even if we could package it. The best thing that Canonical can do, and indeed what we are doing now, is to provide stable platform for Adobe to target and the tools to make it as easy as possible for them to do that. Ultimately the only thing that will sway Adobe are their own customers showing a demand for those products on Ubuntu. The more they hear from Ubuntu users who want to buy their software, or people who have bought their software who want to use it on Ubuntu, the more willing they will be do make it happen. And when they're ready, Canonical will make sure that Ubuntu is an inviting and worthwhile platform for them to distribute their software on.

tajen 10y ago
> There's nothing in their license ... that's not a suggestion for you, but we should probably set up a pirate PPA with already-cracked versions of Adobe software, ported to Linux. It's evil, but it proves that the demand exists and would allow developers to work of Linux.
jitl 10y ago
What I want is not free Photoshop on every Ubuntu CD. Instead, work on WINE! Devote engineers to fixing bugs in WINE that block the latest versions of Creative Cloud from running. If WINE was rock solid stable for creative applications -- and promoted as so by Canonical -- I think you'd see many more people switching. If you can sell Windows applications (with WINE included) in your store, that's all the better.
- braveo 10y ago
  a lot of purists explicitly hate that idea, and I can understand why. I'm not for or against it, myself.
marsRoverDev 10y ago