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This is the least important issue of all time but somehow it is getting the most press. It should just pass and be done with. By the way I get annoyed when peop

This is the least important issue of all time but somehow it is getting the most press. It should just pass and be done with. By the way I get annoyed when people say LDS is the majority here - LDS only makes up 41% of the entire state, and closer to 30% in SLC. The citizens aren't voting on this bill anyway.

ythn 10y ago
> By the way I get annoyed when people say LDS is the majority here Are you annoyed that the entire state was founded by LDS pioneers? Without the mormons, Utah would be west colorado wasteland or another desolate, sparsely populated state like Wyoming. And 41% can be a majority depending on how you break down the remaining 59%
- elliotec 10y ago
  No, why would I be annoyed about the history of the founding of the west? I am very very familiar with it. I'm only annoyed that people have been stating that same old statistic which hasn't been true for at least a decade. 41% is never a majority. https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority
  - ythn 10y ago
    > 41% is never a majority In my country, 41% of people are red party, 38% are blue party, and 21% are green party. Which party has the majority share of voters?
    - dnadler 10y ago
      I think you're confusing 'majority' and 'plurality'.
      - ythn 10y ago
        My mistake, you are correct - plurality is the correct word here. In my example the party with plurality can capture the majority of the vote, but that doesn't necessarily mean the party itself is a majority.
  - ythn 10y ago
    > I'm only annoyed that people have been stating that same old statistic which hasn't been true for at least a decade. Do you have a source? Wikipedia seems to still support the "same old statistic" in a lot of ways and indicates by all accounts an LDS majority in Utah.
areyousure 10y ago
For anyone looking into this, the first sentence of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Utah#Religion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Utah#Religion literally says "A majority of the state's residents are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church)." The lowball estimates of 41% come from things like the following: "Professor Tim Heaton, who studies LDS demographics for church-owned Brigham Young University, says the county numbers probably come from church membership rolls, and that between half and one-third of those people are not active in the faith. If that's true, then, at most, 41.6 percent of Utahns are church-going Mormons." (2005 source http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/ci_2886596 http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/ci_2886596 ) It's at least slightly nontrivial to decide on the right definition, but I think church membership is a perfectly fine measurement. As such, almost every other publication and measurement supports the "obvious" claim that Utah has a Mormon majority of (60+some)% and even Salt Lake County may have a (50+epsilon)% Mormon majority. Exampe source from 2014: http://www.sltrib.com/news/1842825-155/mormon-populace-picks-up-the-pace http://www.sltrib.com/news/1842825-155/mormon-populace-picks...

ythn 10y ago

> By the way I get annoyed when people say LDS is the majority here Are you annoyed that the entire state was founded by LDS pioneers? Without the mormons, Utah would be west colorado wasteland or another desolate, sparsely populated state like Wyoming. And 41% can be a majority depending on how you break down the remaining 59%

elliotec 10y ago
No, why would I be annoyed about the history of the founding of the west? I am very very familiar with it. I'm only annoyed that people have been stating that same old statistic which hasn't been true for at least a decade. 41% is never a majority. https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority
- ythn 10y ago
  > 41% is never a majority In my country, 41% of people are red party, 38% are blue party, and 21% are green party. Which party has the majority share of voters?
  - dnadler 10y ago
    I think you're confusing 'majority' and 'plurality'.
    - ythn 10y ago
      My mistake, you are correct - plurality is the correct word here. In my example the party with plurality can capture the majority of the vote, but that doesn't necessarily mean the party itself is a majority.
- ythn 10y ago
  > I'm only annoyed that people have been stating that same old statistic which hasn't been true for at least a decade. Do you have a source? Wikipedia seems to still support the "same old statistic" in a lot of ways and indicates by all accounts an LDS majority in Utah.

areyousure 10y ago

For anyone looking into this, the first sentence of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Utah#Religion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Utah#Religion literally says "A majority of the state's residents are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church)." The lowball estimates of 41% come from things like the following: "Professor Tim Heaton, who studies LDS demographics for church-owned Brigham Young University, says the county numbers probably come from church membership rolls, and that between half and one-third of those people are not active in the faith. If that's true, then, at most, 41.6 percent of Utahns are church-going Mormons." (2005 source http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/ci_2886596 http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/ci_2886596 ) It's at least slightly nontrivial to decide on the right definition, but I think church membership is a perfectly fine measurement. As such, almost every other publication and measurement supports the "obvious" claim that Utah has a Mormon majority of (60+some)% and even Salt Lake County may have a (50+epsilon)% Mormon majority. Exampe source from 2014: http://www.sltrib.com/news/1842825-155/mormon-populace-picks-up-the-pace http://www.sltrib.com/news/1842825-155/mormon-populace-picks...