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Almost all? Catholicism, Evangelical in general, Pentecostal, Lutheran, Baptist, etc. It's most assuredly not remotely mainstream. Note that the megachurches yo

by Cacti 10y ago

Almost all? Catholicism, Evangelical in general, Pentecostal, Lutheran, Baptist, etc. It's most assuredly not remotely mainstream. Note that the megachurches you're referring to are in most cases not part of a branch of Christianity but stand alone.

maxerickson 10y ago
Are you all using the same definition of "modern denomination"?
- rrauenza 10y ago
  ...and the same definition of "prosperity gospel"?
thebooktocome 10y ago
Okay, Catholicism. Fair enough. But I think you're wrong about every other denomination on your list. I've been to enough Baptist and Lutheran churches to feel justified in disagreement. The Presbyterians (including our president) feel much the same way. The simple fact is that God's blessing = economic prosperity is practically biblical. "May his tribe increase" and all that. Also I'm not OP and did not refer to megachurches.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > I've been to enough Baptist and Lutheran churches to feel justified in disagreement. The largest Baptist (Southern Baptist Convention) and Lutheran (both ELCA and Missouri Synod) denominations absolutely reject it. Baptist and Lutheran are broad traditions, not unitary denominations, and there are certainly minor groups that identify with those traditions that preach either the particular beliefs of the modern "prosperity gospel" or other things that fit within the broader ambit of prosperity theology. > The Presbyterians (including our president) feel much the same way. Presbyterianism is a branch of Calvinism, and it's unsurprising that the Calvinist doctrine of the visible elect would be more influential there than in other branches of Protestantism (or non-Protestant Christianity.)
- patrickg_zill 10y ago
  "May his tribe increase" is from a poem about Abou ben Adhem, IIRC. Not from the Bible... https://m.poemhunter.com/poem/abou-ben-adhem/ https://m.poemhunter.com/poem/abou-ben-adhem/
  - thebooktocome 10y ago
    It's an obvious reference to Genesis 22:17.
    - patrickg_zill 10y ago
      What translation did you get this wording from? It's not found in KJV (old school Protestants ), Douay Rheims, NIV(mega churches, some Baptists, many others), or NASB (mainly used by Catholics) translations.
      - thebooktocome 10y ago
        It's not a translation. It's an allusion. Commonly used by evangelicals. You're over thinking it.
        patrickg_zill 10y ago
        Source please? I grew up in an evangelical home and went to church every Sunday - and have never heard of "may his tribe increase" aside from that poem.
        areyousure 10y ago
        It's not just you. Googling "may his tribe increase" and "Genesis 22:17" only finds this thread.
Arizhel 10y ago
They don't need to be "part of a branch of Christianity" to be Christian; it doesn't work that way. In fact, they represent a majority of (non-Catholic) Christians in America these days. The mainline Protestant groups (Lutheran, Episcopal, etc.) are dying out, and all the younger people are going to the independent evangelical Prosperity Gospel megachurches now. The Catholics are really the only serious exception.

by Cacti 10y ago

maxerickson 10y ago

Are you all using the same definition of "modern denomination"?

rrauenza 10y ago
...and the same definition of "prosperity gospel"?

thebooktocome 10y ago

Okay, Catholicism. Fair enough. But I think you're wrong about every other denomination on your list. I've been to enough Baptist and Lutheran churches to feel justified in disagreement. The Presbyterians (including our president) feel much the same way. The simple fact is that God's blessing = economic prosperity is practically biblical. "May his tribe increase" and all that. Also I'm not OP and did not refer to megachurches.

dragonwriter 10y ago
> I've been to enough Baptist and Lutheran churches to feel justified in disagreement. The largest Baptist (Southern Baptist Convention) and Lutheran (both ELCA and Missouri Synod) denominations absolutely reject it. Baptist and Lutheran are broad traditions, not unitary denominations, and there are certainly minor groups that identify with those traditions that preach either the particular beliefs of the modern "prosperity gospel" or other things that fit within the broader ambit of prosperity theology. > The Presbyterians (including our president) feel much the same way. Presbyterianism is a branch of Calvinism, and it's unsurprising that the Calvinist doctrine of the visible elect would be more influential there than in other branches of Protestantism (or non-Protestant Christianity.)
patrickg_zill 10y ago
"May his tribe increase" is from a poem about Abou ben Adhem, IIRC. Not from the Bible... https://m.poemhunter.com/poem/abou-ben-adhem/ https://m.poemhunter.com/poem/abou-ben-adhem/
- thebooktocome 10y ago
  It's an obvious reference to Genesis 22:17.
  - patrickg_zill 10y ago
    What translation did you get this wording from? It's not found in KJV (old school Protestants ), Douay Rheims, NIV(mega churches, some Baptists, many others), or NASB (mainly used by Catholics) translations.
    - thebooktocome 10y ago
      It's not a translation. It's an allusion. Commonly used by evangelicals. You're over thinking it.
      - patrickg_zill 10y ago
        Source please? I grew up in an evangelical home and went to church every Sunday - and have never heard of "may his tribe increase" aside from that poem.
        areyousure 10y ago
        It's not just you. Googling "may his tribe increase" and "Genesis 22:17" only finds this thread.

Arizhel 10y ago

They don't need to be "part of a branch of Christianity" to be Christian; it doesn't work that way. In fact, they represent a majority of (non-Catholic) Christians in America these days. The mainline Protestant groups (Lutheran, Episcopal, etc.) are dying out, and all the younger people are going to the independent evangelical Prosperity Gospel megachurches now. The Catholics are really the only serious exception.