And those things are used successfully. For something else (Haskell, or whathaveyou) to have a breakthrough, there's going to have to be a prominent success sto

And those things are used successfully. For something else (Haskell, or whathaveyou) to have a breakthrough, there's going to have to be a prominent success story or two (or three, etc). We're seeing a big jump in Objective-C, for example, because it has been all-but forced by Apple. This is still a market driven phenomenon, even if you don't like how it gets done.