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And then my internet connection goes down. Power goes out. I run over my data cap for the month. Comcast shuts me down for running a home server. My home networ

And then my internet connection goes down. Power goes out. I run over my data cap for the month. Comcast shuts me down for running a home server. My home network gets DDoS'd. I miss a patch day and I get hacked. None of these things are a concern on traditional social networks. They have to be solved before the world has any chance of moving to a decentralized network.

reitanqild 10y ago
They have to be solved before the world has any chance of moving to a decentralized network. I say no. Most of them don't have to be solved first. Feel free to convince me that 3 days of downtime on my personal messaging account cannot have my personal account is a problem.
- freehunter 10y ago
  It doesn't matter how you feel about it, take a look at people complaining when Google put a news article about Facebook at the top of the results instead of the Facebook login page: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2010/feb/11/facebook-readwriteweb https://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2010/feb/11/face... These are people who typed "Facebook Login" into a Google search, clicked the first result without reading, and got confused. Now tell these same users that Comcast blocked their social network or that they can't log in on their phone because their home Internet connection is down. If you want a social network filled with just people like you and me, look at App.net or GNU Social for inspiration. If you want average users to sign in, these issues absolutely do have to be solved.
  - reitanqild 10y ago
    Still not convinced. It doesn't need to be for everyone in the beginning. The early web (when I entered and before) wasn't for everyone. And thats OK for me. Actually I think it is a good way to start.
    - ReverseCold 10y ago
      The problems were solved with centralization.
      - reitanqild 10y ago
        For this tbing I don't care about those problems.
    - nickpsecurity 10y ago
      "he early web (when I entered and before) wasn't for everyone. And thats OK for me. Actually I think it is a good way to start." It got where it went by doing the opposite of what you're suggesting. The walled garden for smart elites were mostly working on OSI from what old timers tell me. The TCP/IP, SMTP, etc involved lots of hackers trying to avoid doing too much work. Much like the users you prefer to filter. Then, it just went from there getting bigger and bigger due to low barrier of entry. Tons of economic benefits and business models followed. Now we're talking to each other on it.
    - bigbugbag 10y ago
      The early web was devoid of average users. Then the flow of newcomers and not knowing better users surpassed the old timers and knowledgeable users. Then we entered a leveling downward race to a web tailored to their needs because they're the large majority.
rocky1138 10y ago
It's not that hard for the hypothetical manufacturer to set `git pull` and `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y` to run on a cronjob every morning at 4am.
bigbugbag 10y ago
What do you call traditional social networks ? To me a traditional social network is an AFK thing. If you're internet connection goes down, power goes out, you get DDoS'D this would hinder your ability to use any third party online service anyways. The data cap and ISP restrictive terms of service are a different problem that would be challenged and fixed given internet subscriber would go the p2p self host way. The commercial ISP situation is a terrible mess right now. If you got hacked unplug from network, boot from recovery, restore from backup, you're back online in less time than it takes to recover a hacked facebook account. You say decentralized but it seems to me you meant distributed here.

reitanqild 10y ago

They have to be solved before the world has any chance of moving to a decentralized network. I say no. Most of them don't have to be solved first. Feel free to convince me that 3 days of downtime on my personal messaging account cannot have my personal account is a problem.

freehunter 10y ago
It doesn't matter how you feel about it, take a look at people complaining when Google put a news article about Facebook at the top of the results instead of the Facebook login page: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2010/feb/11/facebook-readwriteweb https://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2010/feb/11/face... These are people who typed "Facebook Login" into a Google search, clicked the first result without reading, and got confused. Now tell these same users that Comcast blocked their social network or that they can't log in on their phone because their home Internet connection is down. If you want a social network filled with just people like you and me, look at App.net or GNU Social for inspiration. If you want average users to sign in, these issues absolutely do have to be solved.
- reitanqild 10y ago
  Still not convinced. It doesn't need to be for everyone in the beginning. The early web (when I entered and before) wasn't for everyone. And thats OK for me. Actually I think it is a good way to start.
  - ReverseCold 10y ago
    The problems were solved with centralization.
    - reitanqild 10y ago
      For this tbing I don't care about those problems.
  - nickpsecurity 10y ago
    "he early web (when I entered and before) wasn't for everyone. And thats OK for me. Actually I think it is a good way to start." It got where it went by doing the opposite of what you're suggesting. The walled garden for smart elites were mostly working on OSI from what old timers tell me. The TCP/IP, SMTP, etc involved lots of hackers trying to avoid doing too much work. Much like the users you prefer to filter. Then, it just went from there getting bigger and bigger due to low barrier of entry. Tons of economic benefits and business models followed. Now we're talking to each other on it.
  - bigbugbag 10y ago
    The early web was devoid of average users. Then the flow of newcomers and not knowing better users surpassed the old timers and knowledgeable users. Then we entered a leveling downward race to a web tailored to their needs because they're the large majority.

rocky1138 10y ago

It's not that hard for the hypothetical manufacturer to set `git pull` and `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y` to run on a cronjob every morning at 4am.

bigbugbag 10y ago

What do you call traditional social networks ? To me a traditional social network is an AFK thing. If you're internet connection goes down, power goes out, you get DDoS'D this would hinder your ability to use any third party online service anyways. The data cap and ISP restrictive terms of service are a different problem that would be challenged and fixed given internet subscriber would go the p2p self host way. The commercial ISP situation is a terrible mess right now. If you got hacked unplug from network, boot from recovery, restore from backup, you're back online in less time than it takes to recover a hacked facebook account. You say decentralized but it seems to me you meant distributed here.