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Great read though the title felt a little click baity. Are credentials not verified when hiring someone? (especially for a public school) or was this a result

Great read though the title felt a little click baity. Are credentials not verified when hiring someone? (especially for a public school) or was this a result of the board being lazy? Because if credentials are never verified, this might be hinting at a bigger problem.

alphabettsy 10y ago
There have been some stories about execs at very large companies lying on their resumes from small things like being in certain organizations up to completely fabricating earning a degree or attending a particular educational institution at all.
- AndyNemmity 10y ago
  I have no college experience, and no one has ever even asked. I've never once had to justify it or discuss it in an interview. Education is no where on my resume.
  - pharrlax 10y ago
    I'm guessing you're not a high school principal.
  - jonny_eh 10y ago
    With that level of honesty you'll never be the CEO of a company like Yahoo. http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/13/technology/yahoo-ceo-out/ http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/13/technology/yahoo-ceo-out/
  - jlarocco 10y ago
    It's hard to know how impressed to be without knowing what you do ;-) Usually the only time education is important on a resume is when a person has no other relevant experience.
    - mratzloff 10y ago
      Or in academia.
      - pc86 10y ago
        Or in most non-tech jobs. You can't be a nutritionist without a four-year degree in Nutrition (or I believe a few very closely related fields). There are even some fitness certifications you can't get without (any) four-year degree. No amount of self-study or exam passage will get you to be an RN. Tech is an outlier in that education is secondary to most other factors. I'm happy for that because my Political Science degree isn't worth much, but there are even tech companies that require a degree, or a STEM degree, to be software developers.
        magic_beans 10y ago
        I suspect that requirements for degrees in STEM have much more to do with weeding out "undesirables" from your hiring process. Many companies won't even take candidates from non-ivies + soft ivies (Stanford, CM, etc).
        jlarocco 10y ago
        That's a pretty strong generalization to present without evidence. I'm sure some companies favor candidates from certain schools, but I've never seen any evidence that it's a systemic problem. The one exception I can think of is high level, publicly facing positions. I could see a company choosing a CTO with a PhD from MIT over one with a PhD from somewhere else, just to impress investors, for example. For rank and file software engineer positions, alma mater isn't usually so important. As far as STEM goes, those fields require so much math and other background knowledge that it's almost unbelievable that somebody could learn it all on their own. Not that it's impossible, but it's a pretty wild claim, and it's reasonable that people would be suspicious.
    - DanBC 10y ago
      Or when they're applying for a job that requires a professional registration, where that registration requires a specific qualification.
  - charles-salvia 10y ago
    It doesn't seem to matter as much in the technology world. When I look at people's resumes I barely even glance over the Education section. I mean, I'll take note if it's something extreme like a 4.0 at Stanford, but for the most part nobody cares anymore.
sampo 10y ago
> Are credentials not verified when hiring someone? The verification work is probably outsourced to some company that does that kind of background checks. Or just takes your money and doesn't do any work, as the case might be.
- jessaustin 10y ago
  What sort of credentials are required to do background checks? Who verifies the verifiers?
  - pc86 10y ago
    There are several independent sources that will verify graduate information. They have a list of schools that work with them and get some subset of personal information (name + DOB and degree conferred, I would imagine) each quarter/year which they just keep and use to verify. National Student Clearinghouse[0] is the largest, I believe. For schools not using any of these programs, you can always just call the school. My alma mater is part of NSC but will also respond to individual requests directly. [0] http://www.studentclearinghouse.org/ http://www.studentclearinghouse.org/
IIAOPSW 10y ago
My high school physics teacher got fired middle of the year. Turned out he wasn't at all licensed to teach and may or may not have actually finished college. He got all the way to tenure before anyone noticed. The guy was a wonderful teacher and knew his topic insanely well. Other students hated him cause he actually held students to a standard. Dude ran a convenience store out of his class room to fund our robotics team. He convinced me to re-enroll in the AP Physics B class under the promise that I wouldn't have to show up and instead would study AP Physics C (calculus) with him during his prep time. I was then bribed into this non-existent class with pirated software (thus getting me into programming). He did all of this so that there would be enough students enrolled in the AP Physics B class. For the record I got a perfect score on my exam. The man broke every rule in the book and our lives were better for it. In conclusion, yes it happens. Yes you can be anti-rule anti-authority and still be successful and non-edgy. Fuck da police.
- helthanatos 10y ago
  That's not at all where I thought you were going with that. Some rule breakers are good others are bad. Some only break certain rules. I'm confused as to why he didn't finish college online or something when they found out? I've seen teachers be emergency certified in similar circumstances.
  - IIAOPSW 10y ago
    >Some rule breakers are good others are bad. True. Maybe I just idolized this guy cause he was both smart and stuck it to the man. >I'm confused as to why he didn't finish college online or something when they found out? I don't know what the rules are on that. Even if it were possible by this time he already tried to forge documents and otherwise lie his way through. Even before the fraud the man didn't really have to many allies in administration. Also the district didn't even have the balls to tell us (the students) why our teacher disappeared one day. I had to learn it through another teacher in a private conversation outside the school. Really just screw public school in general. The whole place was 95% waste of time followed by a "congratulatory" piece of paper.

alphabettsy 10y ago

There have been some stories about execs at very large companies lying on their resumes from small things like being in certain organizations up to completely fabricating earning a degree or attending a particular educational institution at all.

AndyNemmity 10y ago
I have no college experience, and no one has ever even asked. I've never once had to justify it or discuss it in an interview. Education is no where on my resume.
- pharrlax 10y ago
  I'm guessing you're not a high school principal.
- jonny_eh 10y ago
  With that level of honesty you'll never be the CEO of a company like Yahoo. http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/13/technology/yahoo-ceo-out/ http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/13/technology/yahoo-ceo-out/
- jlarocco 10y ago
  It's hard to know how impressed to be without knowing what you do ;-) Usually the only time education is important on a resume is when a person has no other relevant experience.
  - mratzloff 10y ago
    Or in academia.
    - pc86 10y ago
      Or in most non-tech jobs. You can't be a nutritionist without a four-year degree in Nutrition (or I believe a few very closely related fields). There are even some fitness certifications you can't get without (any) four-year degree. No amount of self-study or exam passage will get you to be an RN. Tech is an outlier in that education is secondary to most other factors. I'm happy for that because my Political Science degree isn't worth much, but there are even tech companies that require a degree, or a STEM degree, to be software developers.
      - magic_beans 10y ago
        I suspect that requirements for degrees in STEM have much more to do with weeding out "undesirables" from your hiring process. Many companies won't even take candidates from non-ivies + soft ivies (Stanford, CM, etc).
        jlarocco 10y ago
        That's a pretty strong generalization to present without evidence. I'm sure some companies favor candidates from certain schools, but I've never seen any evidence that it's a systemic problem. The one exception I can think of is high level, publicly facing positions. I could see a company choosing a CTO with a PhD from MIT over one with a PhD from somewhere else, just to impress investors, for example. For rank and file software engineer positions, alma mater isn't usually so important. As far as STEM goes, those fields require so much math and other background knowledge that it's almost unbelievable that somebody could learn it all on their own. Not that it's impossible, but it's a pretty wild claim, and it's reasonable that people would be suspicious.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    Or when they're applying for a job that requires a professional registration, where that registration requires a specific qualification.
- charles-salvia 10y ago
  It doesn't seem to matter as much in the technology world. When I look at people's resumes I barely even glance over the Education section. I mean, I'll take note if it's something extreme like a 4.0 at Stanford, but for the most part nobody cares anymore.

sampo 10y ago

> Are credentials not verified when hiring someone? The verification work is probably outsourced to some company that does that kind of background checks. Or just takes your money and doesn't do any work, as the case might be.

jessaustin 10y ago
What sort of credentials are required to do background checks? Who verifies the verifiers?
- pc86 10y ago
  There are several independent sources that will verify graduate information. They have a list of schools that work with them and get some subset of personal information (name + DOB and degree conferred, I would imagine) each quarter/year which they just keep and use to verify. National Student Clearinghouse[0] is the largest, I believe. For schools not using any of these programs, you can always just call the school. My alma mater is part of NSC but will also respond to individual requests directly. [0] http://www.studentclearinghouse.org/ http://www.studentclearinghouse.org/

IIAOPSW 10y ago

My high school physics teacher got fired middle of the year. Turned out he wasn't at all licensed to teach and may or may not have actually finished college. He got all the way to tenure before anyone noticed. The guy was a wonderful teacher and knew his topic insanely well. Other students hated him cause he actually held students to a standard. Dude ran a convenience store out of his class room to fund our robotics team. He convinced me to re-enroll in the AP Physics B class under the promise that I wouldn't have to show up and instead would study AP Physics C (calculus) with him during his prep time. I was then bribed into this non-existent class with pirated software (thus getting me into programming). He did all of this so that there would be enough students enrolled in the AP Physics B class. For the record I got a perfect score on my exam. The man broke every rule in the book and our lives were better for it. In conclusion, yes it happens. Yes you can be anti-rule anti-authority and still be successful and non-edgy. Fuck da police.

helthanatos 10y ago
That's not at all where I thought you were going with that. Some rule breakers are good others are bad. Some only break certain rules. I'm confused as to why he didn't finish college online or something when they found out? I've seen teachers be emergency certified in similar circumstances.
- IIAOPSW 10y ago
  >Some rule breakers are good others are bad. True. Maybe I just idolized this guy cause he was both smart and stuck it to the man. >I'm confused as to why he didn't finish college online or something when they found out? I don't know what the rules are on that. Even if it were possible by this time he already tried to forge documents and otherwise lie his way through. Even before the fraud the man didn't really have to many allies in administration. Also the district didn't even have the balls to tell us (the students) why our teacher disappeared one day. I had to learn it through another teacher in a private conversation outside the school. Really just screw public school in general. The whole place was 95% waste of time followed by a "congratulatory" piece of paper.