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I dislike that people speak in such absolutes on this. You're expressing a personal opinion. In my opinion, Gnome 3 is amongst the best desktop shells I've eve

by DCKing 10y ago

I dislike that people speak in such absolutes on this. You're expressing a personal opinion. In my opinion, Gnome 3 is amongst the best desktop shells I've ever used. It's focus on simplicity in the base, while including extensibility using, well, extensions is unparalleled. I like that I can choose my own complexity and features without resorting to editing config files or hacky black magic. It's only marred by a subjective lack of quality, quantity and consistency in applications, as is the entire Linux/Unix desktop. So to each their own. I also think KDE 4/5 are much nicer than KDE3.

Spivak 10y ago
You don't think the dconf database is more or less the same amount of black magic as editing config files?
- DCKing 10y ago
  I get that this is meant as some sort of snarky reply, but you honestly made have to look up what dconf is. Vaguely recall using it a few years ago. No, I don't consider it more or less the same as editing config files as I don't need it to configure things.
Twirrim 10y ago
For the most part I've become comfortable with the UI in Gnome 3, but I mostly avoid it. They've done a lot to fix the initial problems that the interface had, and I think they've got to a good place for the most part. Try and switch to Gnome 2 / MATE for a little bit and see the drastic improvements in responsiveness, though. That's what kills gnome 3 for me. Even on a nice high spec machine I still end up conscious of the UI latency, and that's really not a good position to be in. The UI needs to get out of the way, and a key part of that is being fast.
- DCKing 10y ago
  I agree, that's why I use the Impatience extension [1]! I don't use anything GTK2 based any more as the lack of smooth scrolling support is really jarring for me, despite the fact that I still like Gnome2's basic design. [1]: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/277/impatience/ https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/277/impatience/
  - Twirrim 10y ago
    Nice. I'll give that a shot.
  - pcr0 10y ago
    I'm not sure what you were referring to with GTK2, but MATE uses GTK3 and preserves the Gnome 2 look.
    - DCKing 10y ago
      Didn't know they migrated already, good on them!
- bwat49 10y ago
  Yeah, the UI latency/smoothness is my one main issue with gnome 3. If it wasn't for that I'd be the biggest gnome 3 fanboy around. I think the shell being written in javascript was a double-edged sword. The extensibility is really cool, but the performance is borderline unacceptable.

by DCKing 10y ago

Spivak 10y ago

You don't think the dconf database is more or less the same amount of black magic as editing config files?

DCKing 10y ago
I get that this is meant as some sort of snarky reply, but you honestly made have to look up what dconf is. Vaguely recall using it a few years ago. No, I don't consider it more or less the same as editing config files as I don't need it to configure things.

Twirrim 10y ago

For the most part I've become comfortable with the UI in Gnome 3, but I mostly avoid it. They've done a lot to fix the initial problems that the interface had, and I think they've got to a good place for the most part. Try and switch to Gnome 2 / MATE for a little bit and see the drastic improvements in responsiveness, though. That's what kills gnome 3 for me. Even on a nice high spec machine I still end up conscious of the UI latency, and that's really not a good position to be in. The UI needs to get out of the way, and a key part of that is being fast.

DCKing 10y ago
I agree, that's why I use the Impatience extension [1]! I don't use anything GTK2 based any more as the lack of smooth scrolling support is really jarring for me, despite the fact that I still like Gnome2's basic design. [1]: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/277/impatience/ https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/277/impatience/
- Twirrim 10y ago
  Nice. I'll give that a shot.
- pcr0 10y ago
  I'm not sure what you were referring to with GTK2, but MATE uses GTK3 and preserves the Gnome 2 look.
  - DCKing 10y ago
    Didn't know they migrated already, good on them!
bwat49 10y ago
Yeah, the UI latency/smoothness is my one main issue with gnome 3. If it wasn't for that I'd be the biggest gnome 3 fanboy around. I think the shell being written in javascript was a double-edged sword. The extensibility is really cool, but the performance is borderline unacceptable.