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Maybe, but from a corporate standpoint, Mozilla's leadership is pretty abysmal. Take the entire debacle with Mozilla Messaging. It was pretty much the only seri
by SEJeff 10y ago
Maybe, but from a corporate standpoint, Mozilla's leadership is pretty abysmal. Take the entire debacle with Mozilla Messaging. It was pretty much the only serious game in town for a decent gui mail client on Linux or really cross platform and they dropped it on the floor instead of finding some way to monetize it. I'd have paid for a decent Linux mail client with sensible calendaring (that isn't evolution aka outlook for Linux).
I lost a lot of faith in Mozilla years ago when the Firefox brand was starting to get really big and the Linux releases for everything Mozilla would lag behind by a few months. As a very early and avid Mozilla Phoenix/Firebird user, I lost faith in the brand as a whole. Sure they're doing wonderful things with webgl and the bleeding edge javascript stuff, but so is Google, and arguably to a greater degree.
Their potential is underutilized due to pathetic leadership, which will continue to flounder until that is resolved.
- krzyk 10y agoWhat do you mean that Linux releases lag behind by a few months? Which products? Firefox and Thunderbird are updating constantly and I don't see a difference between Linux and Windows there.
- SEJeff 10y agoYeah how long have you used Firefox on Linux? Have you used it since Phoenix / Firebird (before it was called Firefox maybe 2003-2004 I forget the exact dates)? I did, and I distinctly remember when they pretty much shit on all Linux users after it really took off on Windows. Nowadays their releases are always in sync, but that is a more recent thing. I also seem to recall Linux support was much better with Firefox 4 and after, but that was a long time ago and it is a bit fuzzy for me currently.
- krzyk 10y agoI've been using Firefox since Phoenix/Firebird days (crappie 0.x releases), I didn't notice a problem with timing of Linux versions.
- nickpsecurity 10y agoI get your points on what issues they have. Yet, you were talking about how Red Hat is so huge in terms of labor and money. I was only bringing up Mozilla in the sense that they're a FOSS company making a ton of money with a bunch of employees that goes far in Red Hat's direction. I've got plenty of ideas for how I'd do it way better as a business. We're talking whether they make big money, though.
- SEJeff 10y agoAh sorry you're spot on then. Their financials show assets / revenue in the hundreds of millions, so your original statement stands entirely: https://static.mozilla.com/moco/en-US/pdf/2015_Mozilla_Audited_Financial_Statement.pdf https://static.mozilla.com/moco/en-US/pdf/2015_Mozilla_Audit... Hundreds of millions definitely counts as big money to a pee on techie like myself!
- nickpsecurity 10y agoSame here! I was looking for it one day wondering how much money an open-source browser was "scrapping by" with... to find... "Holy shit! Hundreds of millions of dollars!?" I can only dream...
- mintplant 10y agoMozilla is (in practice) a non-profit, monetization is not the goal outside of what is necessary for continuity.
- nickpsecurity 10y agoIs that really true? It seems most of their effort is funded by the corporation that makes boatloads of money off search revenue. Then, there's the nonprofit that owns it. I believe monetization is definitely one of their goals even though I can't say the priority.
- flukus 10y ago> I lost a lot of faith in Mozilla years ago when the Firefox brand was starting to get really big and the Linux releases for everything Mozilla would lag behind by a few months. That's the job of the linux distro, not mozilla.