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What is so great about RH? When i had opportunity to use it, it look so bad mostly because lack of current/decent software in repo. Maybe their support is amazi

What is so great about RH? When i had opportunity to use it, it look so bad mostly because lack of current/decent software in repo. Maybe their support is amazing?

jajern 10y ago
Yes, support and peace of mind. Packages that make it into their repository are fully tested and supported by RH. Almost all of them are old but they are pretty much guaranteed stable and Red Hat will support the software until the EOL of whichever RH version you are running, even if the developers of the package do not support a version of the package anymore.
- nvarsj 10y ago
  Sometimes being old is a double edged sword. For instance, RHEL7 has a lot of problems on AWS because the kernel is too old to properly support many of the virtualisation features AWS provides. On bare metal RHEL7 is great, though.
  - rayvd 10y ago
    Red Hat is pretty good about back-porting features like this into the kernel and rest of the platform. It would surprise me if the issues you describe aren't on the roadmap to address. We have no issues running RHEL7 under VMware.
  - jeremyeder 10y ago
    Can you be more specific about this please? Disclaimer, I happily work for RH and today's blog has me ear-to-ear grinning.
    - maxamillion 10y ago
      Information about feature/errata backporting here: https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/ https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/ Information specific to security backporting policies here: https://access.redhat.com/security/updates/backporting/ https://access.redhat.com/security/updates/backporting/
    - nvarsj 9y ago
      Hey sure, I should have been more specific. The enhanced networking in AWS requires ixgbevf at least version 2.14.2. In addition we had random hardlocks with ext4 under the centos7 kernel. Also we had a lot of difficulties running docker on EBS disks with the device manager driver - hard lock ups randomly. That's all I recall off the top of my head. All these issues disappeared upon moving to Ubuntu 16.04 on a later kernel. Centos7 was great for us otherwise, it just didn't seem to work out so well with Docker + AWS.
      - nvarsj 9y ago
        Here's another example: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1419877 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1419877. live-restore works well on Ubuntu 16.04, afaict.
  - bonzini 10y ago
    There are people working specifically on RHEL7 on AWS (and I am in the virtualization team, albeit working on the KVM side). What features are you interested in?
rayvd 10y ago
In the Enterprise world, we typically don't want latest and greatest. We want stability for a long time. :)
- systems 10y ago
  I think this is a myth, or at best relative, not all enterprises accept old for stability Many enterprises want up to date and stable software, and since you are paying for stability, why shouldn't you get fairly recent and stable software Most companies for example don't consider MS SQL 2016 as less stable than MS SQL 2008 or 2012, most users expect the same level of stability from the latest SQL Server than from earlier version, if not more because it's newer and more advanced, might as well be more stable I didnt use RedHat in a while, so I dont know how bad the situation is , I hope it is not too bad
  - jjirsa 10y ago
    Nobody running a thousand of anything uses the first release of $X, whether $X is a database or window manager or kernel or router firmware SQL Server 2016 may be better than SQL Server 2008, but enterprises aren't deploying it until it has baked a few months, and maybe sp1/sp2/some major rollup ships for all the bugs the suckers find at rollout
    - lima 10y ago
      Exactly this. We've hit more than one kernel regression in staging.
  - lima 10y ago
    Better than ever. With things like Software Collections and IUS you get to run the latest stuff on a rock-solid base. I don't want to upgrade my kernel to get a newer Python or NodeJS release! https://www.softwarecollections.org/ https://www.softwarecollections.org/ https://ius.io/ https://ius.io/ https://github.com/iuscommunity-pkg https://github.com/iuscommunity-pkg
    - 10y ago
toredash 10y ago
Have you tried Software Collection? More up to date software, but not supported for 10y as RHEL is
AdmiralAsshat 10y ago
Their support is quite good, actually. I work for a company that sells software which runs on top of Red Hat/CentOS servers. As a result, sometimes we have to tell our clients that the issue is on the server level and that they need RH to take a look at it, assuming they're paying for Red Hat support. FWIW, I've never heard any of them complain about Red Hat. I've had plenty of them complain to me that I'm sending them to RH instead of fixing their server for them (because that's what software engineers should do, right?), but they've never once complained to me about RH once they reached out.
lima 10y ago
Stability, QA and hardware support. I support both Ubuntu LTS and RHEL in production (multiple releases each) and RHEL has been rock-solid for years while there's constant trouble with Ubuntu. Documentation is great.

What is so great about RH? When i had opportunity to use it, it look so bad mostly because lack of current/decent software in repo. Maybe their support is amazing?

jajern 10y ago

Yes, support and peace of mind. Packages that make it into their repository are fully tested and supported by RH. Almost all of them are old but they are pretty much guaranteed stable and Red Hat will support the software until the EOL of whichever RH version you are running, even if the developers of the package do not support a version of the package anymore.

nvarsj 10y ago
Sometimes being old is a double edged sword. For instance, RHEL7 has a lot of problems on AWS because the kernel is too old to properly support many of the virtualisation features AWS provides. On bare metal RHEL7 is great, though.
- rayvd 10y ago
  Red Hat is pretty good about back-porting features like this into the kernel and rest of the platform. It would surprise me if the issues you describe aren't on the roadmap to address. We have no issues running RHEL7 under VMware.
- jeremyeder 10y ago
  Can you be more specific about this please? Disclaimer, I happily work for RH and today's blog has me ear-to-ear grinning.
  - maxamillion 10y ago
    Information about feature/errata backporting here: https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/ https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/ Information specific to security backporting policies here: https://access.redhat.com/security/updates/backporting/ https://access.redhat.com/security/updates/backporting/
  - nvarsj 9y ago
    Hey sure, I should have been more specific. The enhanced networking in AWS requires ixgbevf at least version 2.14.2. In addition we had random hardlocks with ext4 under the centos7 kernel. Also we had a lot of difficulties running docker on EBS disks with the device manager driver - hard lock ups randomly. That's all I recall off the top of my head. All these issues disappeared upon moving to Ubuntu 16.04 on a later kernel. Centos7 was great for us otherwise, it just didn't seem to work out so well with Docker + AWS.
    - nvarsj 9y ago
      Here's another example: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1419877 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1419877. live-restore works well on Ubuntu 16.04, afaict.
- bonzini 10y ago
  There are people working specifically on RHEL7 on AWS (and I am in the virtualization team, albeit working on the KVM side). What features are you interested in?

rayvd 10y ago

In the Enterprise world, we typically don't want latest and greatest. We want stability for a long time. :)

systems 10y ago
I think this is a myth, or at best relative, not all enterprises accept old for stability Many enterprises want up to date and stable software, and since you are paying for stability, why shouldn't you get fairly recent and stable software Most companies for example don't consider MS SQL 2016 as less stable than MS SQL 2008 or 2012, most users expect the same level of stability from the latest SQL Server than from earlier version, if not more because it's newer and more advanced, might as well be more stable I didnt use RedHat in a while, so I dont know how bad the situation is , I hope it is not too bad
- jjirsa 10y ago
  Nobody running a thousand of anything uses the first release of $X, whether $X is a database or window manager or kernel or router firmware SQL Server 2016 may be better than SQL Server 2008, but enterprises aren't deploying it until it has baked a few months, and maybe sp1/sp2/some major rollup ships for all the bugs the suckers find at rollout
  - lima 10y ago
    Exactly this. We've hit more than one kernel regression in staging.
- lima 10y ago
  Better than ever. With things like Software Collections and IUS you get to run the latest stuff on a rock-solid base. I don't want to upgrade my kernel to get a newer Python or NodeJS release! https://www.softwarecollections.org/ https://www.softwarecollections.org/ https://ius.io/ https://ius.io/ https://github.com/iuscommunity-pkg https://github.com/iuscommunity-pkg
  - 10y ago

toredash 10y ago

Have you tried Software Collection? More up to date software, but not supported for 10y as RHEL is

AdmiralAsshat 10y ago

Their support is quite good, actually. I work for a company that sells software which runs on top of Red Hat/CentOS servers. As a result, sometimes we have to tell our clients that the issue is on the server level and that they need RH to take a look at it, assuming they're paying for Red Hat support. FWIW, I've never heard any of them complain about Red Hat. I've had plenty of them complain to me that I'm sending them to RH instead of fixing their server for them (because that's what software engineers should do, right?), but they've never once complained to me about RH once they reached out.

lima 10y ago

Stability, QA and hardware support. I support both Ubuntu LTS and RHEL in production (multiple releases each) and RHEL has been rock-solid for years while there's constant trouble with Ubuntu. Documentation is great.