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This is a pretty timely statement of values and development ideology apropos Canonical's sudden pivot from fragmenting the Linux desktop community.

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tux1968 9y ago
What are you referring to?
- dhemmerling 9y ago
  Ditching Unity + Mir, and returning to Gnome. Convergence is good. https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/ https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cl...
  - houst0n_ 9y ago
    Canonical are ditching Mir? I must have missed this one. Was this discussed here? Page won't load for me but my first thought was this was a poor taste April fools ;)
    - houst0n_ 9y ago
      Found it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14043631 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14043631 Can't find a cached version of the actual ubuntu article though. Edit: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_6qrnNnWg1IJ:https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_6qrnN... No mention of mir though?
    - keithpeter 9y ago
      "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8, the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu desktop back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS." I checked the date of the post really carefully as well. That is certainly a change of direction.
      - houst0n_ 9y ago
        I guess unity was the only thing driving Mir then? Is dropping one the same as dropping both? Seems like good news to me, having a significant player like canonical contributing to the community instead of fragmenting without much benefit can't be bad can it? I don't use it on the desktop anyway, but I hope that moves in this direction are rewarded by the community.
        keithpeter 9y ago
        My (limited) understanding is that Gnome includes Wayland as an integral component, and so reverting to Gnome as default desktop for 18.04 will preclude use of the Mir graphical server.
        snuxoll 9y ago
        Also, one of the "selling points" of Mir was its ability to use Android drivers to make OEM adoption of Ubuntu Phone relatively easy. If they're ditching mobile, there's literally no real benefit to Mir.
  - a3n 9y ago
    Huh. Maybe I'll move back upstream to Ubuntu. Although at this point LinuxMint works fine for me, so it's hard to see a compelling reason. But Ubuntu's desktop games are what finally drove me out, as a desktop.
koffiezet 9y ago
Having used linux for over 20 years now - the 'fragmenting the Linux desktop' idea boggles my mind. The entire Linux eco-system exists of competing things. Nginx vs Apache, sendmail vs qmail vs postfix, ... the list goes on. There is no singular 'desktop' when it comes to Linux, and there will never be one. Thinking and hoping there will be is simply not understanding what drives the whole Linux world: options and competition.

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tux1968 9y ago

What are you referring to?

dhemmerling 9y ago
Ditching Unity + Mir, and returning to Gnome. Convergence is good. https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/ https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cl...
- houst0n_ 9y ago
  Canonical are ditching Mir? I must have missed this one. Was this discussed here? Page won't load for me but my first thought was this was a poor taste April fools ;)
  - houst0n_ 9y ago
    Found it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14043631 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14043631 Can't find a cached version of the actual ubuntu article though. Edit: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_6qrnNnWg1IJ:https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_6qrnN... No mention of mir though?
  - keithpeter 9y ago
    "I’m writing to let you know that we will end our investment in Unity8, the phone and convergence shell. We will shift our default Ubuntu desktop back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS." I checked the date of the post really carefully as well. That is certainly a change of direction.
    - houst0n_ 9y ago
      I guess unity was the only thing driving Mir then? Is dropping one the same as dropping both? Seems like good news to me, having a significant player like canonical contributing to the community instead of fragmenting without much benefit can't be bad can it? I don't use it on the desktop anyway, but I hope that moves in this direction are rewarded by the community.
      - keithpeter 9y ago
        My (limited) understanding is that Gnome includes Wayland as an integral component, and so reverting to Gnome as default desktop for 18.04 will preclude use of the Mir graphical server.
        snuxoll 9y ago
        Also, one of the "selling points" of Mir was its ability to use Android drivers to make OEM adoption of Ubuntu Phone relatively easy. If they're ditching mobile, there's literally no real benefit to Mir.
- a3n 9y ago
  Huh. Maybe I'll move back upstream to Ubuntu. Although at this point LinuxMint works fine for me, so it's hard to see a compelling reason. But Ubuntu's desktop games are what finally drove me out, as a desktop.

koffiezet 9y ago

Having used linux for over 20 years now - the 'fragmenting the Linux desktop' idea boggles my mind. The entire Linux eco-system exists of competing things. Nginx vs Apache, sendmail vs qmail vs postfix, ... the list goes on. There is no singular 'desktop' when it comes to Linux, and there will never be one. Thinking and hoping there will be is simply not understanding what drives the whole Linux world: options and competition.