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Well, Canonical was heavily involved with Mir because of Unity, right? So, with this change, I guess we can expect a Wayland related news in the following weeks

Well, Canonical was heavily involved with Mir because of Unity, right? So, with this change, I guess we can expect a Wayland related news in the following weeks/months. BTW, I would go even further: will they still invest in the Snap package or they will do the same and go to a community oriented package system?

onli 10y ago
Snap is explicitly mentioned as one of the things they want to focus more on.
- brunoluiz 10y ago
  But they can change their minds, as they show in this post
- hsivonen 10y ago
  Just for IoT or for desktop, too?
- robert_foss 10y ago
  Do they never learn?
  - ZenoArrow 10y ago
    What's wrong with Snaps? I'd say it's a good approach in many cases.
    - wmf 10y ago
      Upstream GNOME is working on Flatpak, so is Ubuntu going to ship GNOME or GNOME-with-Flatpak-stripped-out?
      - ZenoArrow 10y ago
        Okay, but from what I've seen Snaps are better (from the perspective of flexibility and simplicity) than Flatpak, isn't this a case where it'd be better for GNOME to adapt rather than vice versa?
        jhasse 10y ago
        We'll see, atm Flatpak has already been adapted pretty well: https://kamikazow.wordpress.com/2017/02/09/adoption-of-flatpak-vs-snap/ https://kamikazow.wordpress.com/2017/02/09/adoption-of-flatp... Try the Firefox Nightly for example: https://firefox-flatpak.mojefedora.cz/ https://firefox-flatpak.mojefedora.cz/
        clvx 10y ago
        In distros yes, but in market snappy has been well received https://partners.ubuntu.com/programmes/iot https://partners.ubuntu.com/programmes/iot . For me the next move of which package manager will be adopted is gonna be based on companies which are gonna develop on it and get support. Only when Red Hat enters the game, you'll see a big adoption of snaps. For now, Canonical is ahead in this game.
      - clvx 10y ago
        If they are going to integrate gnome with snaps and snaps having an actual market, I doubt flatpak can compete against them. BUT, it would be easier for Canonical if they do something with their CAL, that'd be the real game changer.
      - jbicha 10y ago
        There is nothing to strip out. The GNOME Software app (an app store) has an optional Flatpak plugin but except for that, nothing in GNOME depends on Flatpak.
  - apexalpha 10y ago
    Snaps have very real advantages for both users and developers. I'm in favour of them!
    - jhasse 10y ago
      Can you name these advantages over Flatpak?
      - dragonwriter 10y ago
        Flatpak is designed for desktop and relies on that environment, snap is designed for both server and desktop use.
        jhasse 10y ago
        For servers there's docker which works great already. We'll see.
mhall119 10y ago
Going back to GNOME implies going with Wayland, as Wayland is built-in to GNOME. Wayland isn't like X11, you can't just run the desktop on a different display server.

onli 10y ago

Snap is explicitly mentioned as one of the things they want to focus more on.

brunoluiz 10y ago
But they can change their minds, as they show in this post
hsivonen 10y ago
Just for IoT or for desktop, too?
robert_foss 10y ago
Do they never learn?
- ZenoArrow 10y ago
  What's wrong with Snaps? I'd say it's a good approach in many cases.
  - wmf 10y ago
    Upstream GNOME is working on Flatpak, so is Ubuntu going to ship GNOME or GNOME-with-Flatpak-stripped-out?
    - ZenoArrow 10y ago
      Okay, but from what I've seen Snaps are better (from the perspective of flexibility and simplicity) than Flatpak, isn't this a case where it'd be better for GNOME to adapt rather than vice versa?
      - jhasse 10y ago
        We'll see, atm Flatpak has already been adapted pretty well: https://kamikazow.wordpress.com/2017/02/09/adoption-of-flatpak-vs-snap/ https://kamikazow.wordpress.com/2017/02/09/adoption-of-flatp... Try the Firefox Nightly for example: https://firefox-flatpak.mojefedora.cz/ https://firefox-flatpak.mojefedora.cz/
        clvx 10y ago
        In distros yes, but in market snappy has been well received https://partners.ubuntu.com/programmes/iot https://partners.ubuntu.com/programmes/iot . For me the next move of which package manager will be adopted is gonna be based on companies which are gonna develop on it and get support. Only when Red Hat enters the game, you'll see a big adoption of snaps. For now, Canonical is ahead in this game.
    - clvx 10y ago
      If they are going to integrate gnome with snaps and snaps having an actual market, I doubt flatpak can compete against them. BUT, it would be easier for Canonical if they do something with their CAL, that'd be the real game changer.
    - jbicha 10y ago
      There is nothing to strip out. The GNOME Software app (an app store) has an optional Flatpak plugin but except for that, nothing in GNOME depends on Flatpak.
- apexalpha 10y ago
  Snaps have very real advantages for both users and developers. I'm in favour of them!
  - jhasse 10y ago
    Can you name these advantages over Flatpak?
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      Flatpak is designed for desktop and relies on that environment, snap is designed for both server and desktop use.
      - jhasse 10y ago
        For servers there's docker which works great already. We'll see.

mhall119 10y ago

Going back to GNOME implies going with Wayland, as Wayland is built-in to GNOME. Wayland isn't like X11, you can't just run the desktop on a different display server.