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There are some things that actually should be completely deleted and off-limits, though, like people that post peoples' personal information. But yes, I often

There are some things that actually should be completely deleted and off-limits, though, like people that post peoples' personal information. But yes, I often wish I could see deleted comments on reddit in places like /r/askscience: I want to see what stupid shit people have said to get banned. ALTHOUGH, like everything discussed in any of these threads as 'solutions' to the so-called 'problem' of 'abuse': it really is just going to result in more echo chambers.

sametmax 10y ago
Well that's the problem you see. You and me agree on that, but plenty people won't. And plenty people won't agree that you can mention gay sex, the coran or a political statement either. And they are sure to be right, as much as we are sure we are right. That's the problem with freedom of speech. One of the solution is to allow: - anything that is legal geographically - anything that is not followed by destructive actions IRL - or both And even that is hard and very imperfect. Morality is always arbitrary, it's impossible to draw a perfect line in the sand. Which is why systems life freenet are both a fantastic place (you got everything man, even the craziest informations) and a terrible curse (you got everything man, even a 10 years old getting raped). The web-of-moderator is an elegant solution to this problem. You don't draw one line in the sand, you draw many and let people choose a line. This doesn't solve the moral or legal issue, but it does solve the "i'm offended" issue. Which is more that what we could do up until here.
- milesrout 10y ago
  Yeah I like the web-of-moderators, as I said. >This doesn't solve the moral or legal issue, but it does solve the "i'm offended" issue. Which is more that what we could do up until here. I entirely disagree. It does not solve that issue at all. The issue there is that people feel they have the right to filter out everything they disagree with or find uncomfortable. They don't. The TV news doesn't avoid showing images that are graphic, they say 'graphic images upcoming, turn off if you can't handle it' then show them.
  - sametmax 10y ago
    > The issue there is that people feel they have the right to filter out everything they disagree with or find uncomfortable. They don't. Yes but this is a way harder battle than creating a web-of-moderators :)

sametmax 10y ago

Well that's the problem you see. You and me agree on that, but plenty people won't. And plenty people won't agree that you can mention gay sex, the coran or a political statement either. And they are sure to be right, as much as we are sure we are right. That's the problem with freedom of speech. One of the solution is to allow: - anything that is legal geographically - anything that is not followed by destructive actions IRL - or both And even that is hard and very imperfect. Morality is always arbitrary, it's impossible to draw a perfect line in the sand. Which is why systems life freenet are both a fantastic place (you got everything man, even the craziest informations) and a terrible curse (you got everything man, even a 10 years old getting raped). The web-of-moderator is an elegant solution to this problem. You don't draw one line in the sand, you draw many and let people choose a line. This doesn't solve the moral or legal issue, but it does solve the "i'm offended" issue. Which is more that what we could do up until here.

milesrout 10y ago
Yeah I like the web-of-moderators, as I said. >This doesn't solve the moral or legal issue, but it does solve the "i'm offended" issue. Which is more that what we could do up until here. I entirely disagree. It does not solve that issue at all. The issue there is that people feel they have the right to filter out everything they disagree with or find uncomfortable. They don't. The TV news doesn't avoid showing images that are graphic, they say 'graphic images upcoming, turn off if you can't handle it' then show them.
- sametmax 10y ago
  > The issue there is that people feel they have the right to filter out everything they disagree with or find uncomfortable. They don't. Yes but this is a way harder battle than creating a web-of-moderators :)