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I'm sorry, but are you actually comparing Nazi symbolism to the LGBT flag? This has to be sarcastic, no?

najati83 10y ago
A swastika, an LGBT flag and a hammer and a sickle are all political symbols. I found it funny admins only banned one of them.
- soundwave106 10y ago
  Of the three, the swastika internationally is the most problematic symbol as far as international law goes. It is banned outright except for narrow historical exceptions in several Western countries (eg France and Germany). Other countries may not have banned the symbol per se, but they may have "hate speech" type laws, and a swastikas used for this purpose may also fall afoul of that. The hammer and sickle is more comparable; it is indeed banned in a few (mostly post-Soviet) countries. But I've never heard of the hammer and sickle running into the same problems regarding hate speech laws, which was probably Reddit's focus here. Though politics are involved, the LGBT flag represents identity and is not very comparable to major political movements with dodgy human rights records, or a symbol with a history of being behind "hate speech".
  - rtx 10y ago
    A billion Hindus would disagree with you.
    - soundwave106 10y ago
      Yes, it should be clarified we are talking about the Nazi swastika. Unfortunately in the West, the Nazi use of the swastika dominates the public perception of the symbol. (This is very unfortunate given the long historical tradition of the swastika in Asia and other cultures.) As far as I'm aware, legally, context matters significantly in places where the symbol is banned; eg the Nazi swastika is outlawed in Germany because it represents a banned political ideology, whereas a Hindu swastika is not.
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- kjdndisneinj 10y ago
  They didn't ban political symbols, they ban bullying and acting disrespectfully. The swastika fits that, the LGBT flag doesn't. This might not be the case, but it feels like you're acting naive to further an agenda.
  - najati83 10y ago
    If that's the case, I have to say that for the political views of many people, an LGBT flag is as disrespectful or dangerous to society as a swastika can be to any individual or group. Being unable to see that just proves further that reddit admins are biased. I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything; everybody has their own views and trying to change them over the internet is a waste of time. So this off-topic for me ends here.
    - cremno 10y ago
      Homosexuals are just as bad as Nazis. What a great world view you liberals have.
    - kjdndisneinj 10y ago
      I'm glad you brought it back to my original point so I didn't have to: > are you actually comparing Nazi symbolism to the LGBT flag? Again, you're comparing a symbol for a culture/organization that committed _genocide_, to the symbol of a group that was a victim of that genocide. Then you have the audacity to say they could be similarly offensive? Take your thinly-veiled fascism elsewhere.
      - FeepingCreature 10y ago
        Okay, what the fuck does this have to do with fascism? I'm really annoyed with the overuse of that term. Not every asshole who is wrong is a fascist.

A swastika, an LGBT flag and a hammer and a sickle are all political symbols. I found it funny admins only banned one of them.

soundwave106 10y ago
Of the three, the swastika internationally is the most problematic symbol as far as international law goes. It is banned outright except for narrow historical exceptions in several Western countries (eg France and Germany). Other countries may not have banned the symbol per se, but they may have "hate speech" type laws, and a swastikas used for this purpose may also fall afoul of that. The hammer and sickle is more comparable; it is indeed banned in a few (mostly post-Soviet) countries. But I've never heard of the hammer and sickle running into the same problems regarding hate speech laws, which was probably Reddit's focus here. Though politics are involved, the LGBT flag represents identity and is not very comparable to major political movements with dodgy human rights records, or a symbol with a history of being behind "hate speech".
- rtx 10y ago
  A billion Hindus would disagree with you.
  - soundwave106 10y ago
    Yes, it should be clarified we are talking about the Nazi swastika. Unfortunately in the West, the Nazi use of the swastika dominates the public perception of the symbol. (This is very unfortunate given the long historical tradition of the swastika in Asia and other cultures.) As far as I'm aware, legally, context matters significantly in places where the symbol is banned; eg the Nazi swastika is outlawed in Germany because it represents a banned political ideology, whereas a Hindu swastika is not.
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kjdndisneinj 10y ago
They didn't ban political symbols, they ban bullying and acting disrespectfully. The swastika fits that, the LGBT flag doesn't. This might not be the case, but it feels like you're acting naive to further an agenda.
- najati83 10y ago
  If that's the case, I have to say that for the political views of many people, an LGBT flag is as disrespectful or dangerous to society as a swastika can be to any individual or group. Being unable to see that just proves further that reddit admins are biased. I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything; everybody has their own views and trying to change them over the internet is a waste of time. So this off-topic for me ends here.
  - cremno 10y ago
    Homosexuals are just as bad as Nazis. What a great world view you liberals have.
  - kjdndisneinj 10y ago
    I'm glad you brought it back to my original point so I didn't have to: > are you actually comparing Nazi symbolism to the LGBT flag? Again, you're comparing a symbol for a culture/organization that committed _genocide_, to the symbol of a group that was a victim of that genocide. Then you have the audacity to say they could be similarly offensive? Take your thinly-veiled fascism elsewhere.
    - FeepingCreature 10y ago
      Okay, what the fuck does this have to do with fascism? I'm really annoyed with the overuse of that term. Not every asshole who is wrong is a fascist.