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I love Mac OS but it gets regular updates and which each update, it's more demanding. The hardware needs to keep up. Try running IOS 7 on a Gen 3 iPhone.

by redm 10y ago

csomar 10y ago
So update your hardware regularly?
- gkya 10y ago
  Maybe you can afford that, but many can't.
  - csomar 10y ago
    I really dislike this argument. If you are not doing any serious work, then yes, Apple products are a luxury. If you are doing serious work, then you can afford Apple products easily. Let's say you spend $10k on your 2-year updated hardware. That comes at roughly $14/day. That's about how much I pay for coffee daily (cafes + Nespresso capsules) Edit: And that doesn't include the re-selling price. I do give my old hardware to my mother, so I take it out of equation.
    - chaostheory 10y ago
      > Edit: And that doesn't include the re-selling price I second this. Just take a look at prices on Ebay for old metal Mac Pros.
    - fleetingmoments 10y ago
      I'd really like to know what you do to make a 2 year Macbook Pro upgrade cycle worth the cash outlay. Performance updates have been really incremental between releases for the last while. I do some serious machine learning and DSP development (except for deep learning, but an upgrade is not going to help with that) on my early 2013 rMBP and I feel bad asking for an upgrade although I could probably get one, because there is really nothing wrong with my machine. Maybe when a 32GB version swings around...
    - Johnny555 10y ago
      It's only $14/day if you work 365 days a year. If you work a more typical 253 days/year, then it's $20/hour which could be half an hour of the developer's hourly rate. Does that $10K hardware save you 30 minutes/day over over what you'd see with $3000 worth of hardware (or keeping your $10000 hardware for another year)? For some, the answer is clearly yes, but for others, maybe not.
ihuman 10y ago
But you can't run iOS 7 on the 3GS (the third iPhone). The last update for it was 6.1.6.
antfarm 10y ago
I am using a 2010 MacBook Pro 13" (2,4 GHz) as my everyday development machine with macOS Sierra and Xcode. I maxed out the RAM to 8 GB and replaced the HD with an SSD 3 years ago. The screen keeps feeling smaller every year, but I can not complain about the performance of this nearly 7 year old computer.
72deluxe 10y ago
Still running a 2012 non-retina MacBook Pro. I shoved 16GB RAM in as soon as I bought it (it officially only supports 8GB). But it was a real dog with a hard disk. Shoved in a 1TB SSD and all is good (and that's a SATA3 not NVME). Should continue working for another 5 years no problem.

I love Mac OS but it gets regular updates and which each update, it's more demanding. The hardware needs to keep up. Try running IOS 7 on a Gen 3 iPhone.

by redm 10y ago

I love Mac OS but it gets regular updates and which each update, it's more demanding. The hardware needs to keep up. Try running IOS 7 on a Gen 3 iPhone.

csomar 10y ago

So update your hardware regularly?

gkya 10y ago
Maybe you can afford that, but many can't.
- csomar 10y ago
  I really dislike this argument. If you are not doing any serious work, then yes, Apple products are a luxury. If you are doing serious work, then you can afford Apple products easily. Let's say you spend $10k on your 2-year updated hardware. That comes at roughly $14/day. That's about how much I pay for coffee daily (cafes + Nespresso capsules) Edit: And that doesn't include the re-selling price. I do give my old hardware to my mother, so I take it out of equation.
  - chaostheory 10y ago
    > Edit: And that doesn't include the re-selling price I second this. Just take a look at prices on Ebay for old metal Mac Pros.
  - fleetingmoments 10y ago
    I'd really like to know what you do to make a 2 year Macbook Pro upgrade cycle worth the cash outlay. Performance updates have been really incremental between releases for the last while. I do some serious machine learning and DSP development (except for deep learning, but an upgrade is not going to help with that) on my early 2013 rMBP and I feel bad asking for an upgrade although I could probably get one, because there is really nothing wrong with my machine. Maybe when a 32GB version swings around...
  - Johnny555 10y ago
    It's only $14/day if you work 365 days a year. If you work a more typical 253 days/year, then it's $20/hour which could be half an hour of the developer's hourly rate. Does that $10K hardware save you 30 minutes/day over over what you'd see with $3000 worth of hardware (or keeping your $10000 hardware for another year)? For some, the answer is clearly yes, but for others, maybe not.

ihuman 10y ago

But you can't run iOS 7 on the 3GS (the third iPhone). The last update for it was 6.1.6.

antfarm 10y ago

I am using a 2010 MacBook Pro 13" (2,4 GHz) as my everyday development machine with macOS Sierra and Xcode. I maxed out the RAM to 8 GB and replaced the HD with an SSD 3 years ago. The screen keeps feeling smaller every year, but I can not complain about the performance of this nearly 7 year old computer.

72deluxe 10y ago

Still running a 2012 non-retina MacBook Pro. I shoved 16GB RAM in as soon as I bought it (it officially only supports 8GB). But it was a real dog with a hard disk. Shoved in a 1TB SSD and all is good (and that's a SATA3 not NVME). Should continue working for another 5 years no problem.