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So does one export their existing network information to these open formats? I don't think the companies who currently hold that information will part with it w

by qplex 10y ago

So does one export their existing network information to these open formats? I don't think the companies who currently hold that information will part with it willingly.

jasonkostempski 10y ago
If it catches on, I assume a bunch of services will pop up offering to export you data. All they'll need is your password.
- qplex 10y ago
  But how would you verify that YourFacebookFriend is YourFacebookFriend on some other service?
  - Nadya 10y ago
    This is a solved problem, but not one that would catch on. See: PGP If my friend can sign a message using the same key on both services - and I already trust that key is them - I can be almost certain it is them. Regardless of the service. This is one of the first use cases for keybase.io - verifying identities across a few main social sites. (E: For clarification, Keybase makes it easier to find these proofs. It isn't necessary as part of the proofs.) For example, you can find me on Reddit or Twitter and know it is me. You can also see my website URL and know that I own it - and a bitcoin address where you know I will receive the money. This is because I've verified that I own these accounts using PGP - and I've done the same for HN in my user profile. See: https://keybase.io/nadya https://keybase.io/nadya
    - hueving 10y ago
      >This is a solved problem, but not one that would catch on. See: PGP It's only 'solved' if you don't care about usability. PGP quickly becomes a nightmare when you consider the day-to-day things 'normal' computer users will go through (private key stolen, password to private key forgotten, phishing attacks to sign replacement keys for friends, etc).
softawre 10y ago
They already do allow you to export your data, right?
- qplex 10y ago
  Yes, some of it, but not your actual network information (friends, contacts), at least not in a way that is meaningful outside of those services.

by qplex 10y ago

So does one export their existing network information to these open formats? I don't think the companies who currently hold that information will part with it willingly.

jasonkostempski 10y ago

If it catches on, I assume a bunch of services will pop up offering to export you data. All they'll need is your password.

qplex 10y ago
But how would you verify that YourFacebookFriend is YourFacebookFriend on some other service?
- Nadya 10y ago
  This is a solved problem, but not one that would catch on. See: PGP If my friend can sign a message using the same key on both services - and I already trust that key is them - I can be almost certain it is them. Regardless of the service. This is one of the first use cases for keybase.io - verifying identities across a few main social sites. (E: For clarification, Keybase makes it easier to find these proofs. It isn't necessary as part of the proofs.) For example, you can find me on Reddit or Twitter and know it is me. You can also see my website URL and know that I own it - and a bitcoin address where you know I will receive the money. This is because I've verified that I own these accounts using PGP - and I've done the same for HN in my user profile. See: https://keybase.io/nadya https://keybase.io/nadya
  - hueving 10y ago
    >This is a solved problem, but not one that would catch on. See: PGP It's only 'solved' if you don't care about usability. PGP quickly becomes a nightmare when you consider the day-to-day things 'normal' computer users will go through (private key stolen, password to private key forgotten, phishing attacks to sign replacement keys for friends, etc).

softawre 10y ago

They already do allow you to export your data, right?

qplex 10y ago
Yes, some of it, but not your actual network information (friends, contacts), at least not in a way that is meaningful outside of those services.