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Most people who are into doing criminal things actually have guns here in Europe. Our open borders allow people to drive a trunk full of guns from Turkish borde

by bflesch 10y ago

Most people who are into doing criminal things actually have guns here in Europe. Our open borders allow people to drive a trunk full of guns from Turkish border directly to Berlin, and they regularly catch guys doing that. Only the people who get attacked don't have any guns, and they get fucked up.

_pmf_ 10y ago
> Most people who are into doing criminal things actually have guns here in Europe. Speaking for the western part: no they don't. No even close to the majority of criminals have guns (I don't dispute that they have easy access, though). You'll be hard pressed to find street robberies at gun point in Germany, France and the northern countries.
- vetinari 10y ago
  You'll be hard pressed to find street robberies at gun point in Eastern Europe too. Subjectively, it is much safer to walk on the streets of Warsaw, than Berlin.
  - _pmf_ 10y ago
    Been in Warsaw one night, live in German city; can confirm.
- bflesch 10y ago
  Oh shut up. I live in Cologne, there are gang/biker shootings and robberies with guns every week. Police is always too late.
  - sametmax 10y ago
    My brother live in frankfurt and even in the worst part in the city, with people injecting heroin in the street, you never get even bothered by anybody. In France you hear about guns, but I lived in 8 different cities there, and I never been near any gun attack. None of my friends or relatives either. If you have gun here, people look at you in a strange way. Everytime me or my bro got in trouble, it was fist fighting. I got a knife once. Some of my friends got messed up. Fist again. In france, the UK, germany, Italy and spain. I don't say there are no guns. I'm saying that it's not even of the same scale of occurrences than in the US.
ifdefdebug 10y ago
> Only the people who get attacked don't have any guns, and > they get fucked up. If you fail to take regular firearm training, combat training or to acquire the necessary mindset for a gunfight under live threat, then you are even more fucked if you try to use that gun you are carrying to make you feel safer...
- saiya-jin 10y ago
  don't make such a drama out of it - every owner should know how to use the gun quickly and safely in the same time. this doesn't require any serious continuous commitment and owner is obviously in all cases in massive advantage if something horrible happens (imagine being there during Paris massacre and having a possibility to make a difference with your legal handgun)
andrepd 10y ago
Do you have anything to back that up or are you just gonna keep talking?
- saiya-jin 10y ago
  have a colleague from Paris suburbs - he regularly mentions how easy it is to obtain AK-47 there for some 300-400 eur. that's a battle rifle which ammo goes through walls, cars and personal armor like a knife through butter. the fact that many criminals are armed doesn't mean they are stupid - using them (especially stronger caliber) is last resort since things escalate quickly afterwards and survival chances are slim

by bflesch 10y ago

_pmf_ 10y ago

> Most people who are into doing criminal things actually have guns here in Europe. Speaking for the western part: no they don't. No even close to the majority of criminals have guns (I don't dispute that they have easy access, though). You'll be hard pressed to find street robberies at gun point in Germany, France and the northern countries.

vetinari 10y ago
You'll be hard pressed to find street robberies at gun point in Eastern Europe too. Subjectively, it is much safer to walk on the streets of Warsaw, than Berlin.
- _pmf_ 10y ago
  Been in Warsaw one night, live in German city; can confirm.
bflesch 10y ago
Oh shut up. I live in Cologne, there are gang/biker shootings and robberies with guns every week. Police is always too late.
- sametmax 10y ago
  My brother live in frankfurt and even in the worst part in the city, with people injecting heroin in the street, you never get even bothered by anybody. In France you hear about guns, but I lived in 8 different cities there, and I never been near any gun attack. None of my friends or relatives either. If you have gun here, people look at you in a strange way. Everytime me or my bro got in trouble, it was fist fighting. I got a knife once. Some of my friends got messed up. Fist again. In france, the UK, germany, Italy and spain. I don't say there are no guns. I'm saying that it's not even of the same scale of occurrences than in the US.

ifdefdebug 10y ago

> Only the people who get attacked don't have any guns, and > they get fucked up. If you fail to take regular firearm training, combat training or to acquire the necessary mindset for a gunfight under live threat, then you are even more fucked if you try to use that gun you are carrying to make you feel safer...

saiya-jin 10y ago
don't make such a drama out of it - every owner should know how to use the gun quickly and safely in the same time. this doesn't require any serious continuous commitment and owner is obviously in all cases in massive advantage if something horrible happens (imagine being there during Paris massacre and having a possibility to make a difference with your legal handgun)

andrepd 10y ago

Do you have anything to back that up or are you just gonna keep talking?

saiya-jin 10y ago
have a colleague from Paris suburbs - he regularly mentions how easy it is to obtain AK-47 there for some 300-400 eur. that's a battle rifle which ammo goes through walls, cars and personal armor like a knife through butter. the fact that many criminals are armed doesn't mean they are stupid - using them (especially stronger caliber) is last resort since things escalate quickly afterwards and survival chances are slim