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You can't, but you can search for a job with an employer who would be willing to sponsor an H1-B. Being in the country makes it much easier.

mavelikara 10y ago
> you can search for a job with an employer who would be willing to sponsor an H1-B What is wrong in doing that?
- rodionos 10y ago
  It causes incremental demand for H1-B visas from H-4 dependents whose specialized skills were not sufficient to warrant an issuance of an H1-B visa in the first place. This could be happening at the expense of more qualified H1-B candidates without physical presence in the country, as well as at the expense of citizens and permanent residents.
  - zerr 10y ago
    > whose specialized skills were not sufficient to warrant an issuance of an H1-B visa in the first place And how this changes if you apply for H1B while in US (on H-4)? Are the requirements softened?
    - rodionos 10y ago
      If the candidate on H-4 visa is physically present in the country and is able to attend onsite interviews, this increases his/her chances and thus creates more competition with American workers.
      - zerr 10y ago
        If "specialized skills" are not sufficient for H1B, it doesn't matter where the candidate resides... And if the candidate has enough those specialized skills - what's the problem?
        rodionos 10y ago
        Free shipping matters and so does removing the logistics overhead and the risks associated with a potential candidate. Moving overseas labor right next to your door surely increases the pressure on the domestic labor market. I'm an outsider and the State Department unfortunately doesn't publish statistics on visa type transitions, e.g. how many people went from H-4 to H1-B, as well as from J-1 to H1-B. J-1 for instance is a visa type for cultural exchange and it's been known a major vehicle of abuse and illegal immigration because. J-1 has been replacing lower-skilled labor however.
        zerr 10y ago
        We are not talking about abusing of H1B, but when the candidate really satisfies the requirements and the salary offered is on par or better compared to local worker at the same level. So we agree that "importing" skilled people is good for the country.
        rodionos 10y ago
        I actually talked about a different subject, namely secondary effects. I argued that the displacement of jobs with H-1B visa holders is greater that the exact number of H-1Bs due to additional pool of H-4 candidates who are now in a better position to compete for new job openings.
        zerr 10y ago
        And I was saying that there is nothing wrong with it. The less bureaucratic hassle for skilled people the better.
        mavelikara 10y ago
        > due to additional pool of H-4 candidates Counting out H-4 EADs [1], the spouse on H-4 has to apply for an H-1B, go through the lottery, prove his/her qualifications, and only then get a job. So no, being on H-4 does not automatically get one a job. [1] at which point they are only one step away from permanent residency

mavelikara 10y ago

> you can search for a job with an employer who would be willing to sponsor an H1-B What is wrong in doing that?

rodionos 10y ago
It causes incremental demand for H1-B visas from H-4 dependents whose specialized skills were not sufficient to warrant an issuance of an H1-B visa in the first place. This could be happening at the expense of more qualified H1-B candidates without physical presence in the country, as well as at the expense of citizens and permanent residents.
- zerr 10y ago
  > whose specialized skills were not sufficient to warrant an issuance of an H1-B visa in the first place And how this changes if you apply for H1B while in US (on H-4)? Are the requirements softened?
  - rodionos 10y ago
    If the candidate on H-4 visa is physically present in the country and is able to attend onsite interviews, this increases his/her chances and thus creates more competition with American workers.
    - zerr 10y ago
      If "specialized skills" are not sufficient for H1B, it doesn't matter where the candidate resides... And if the candidate has enough those specialized skills - what's the problem?
      - rodionos 10y ago
        Free shipping matters and so does removing the logistics overhead and the risks associated with a potential candidate. Moving overseas labor right next to your door surely increases the pressure on the domestic labor market. I'm an outsider and the State Department unfortunately doesn't publish statistics on visa type transitions, e.g. how many people went from H-4 to H1-B, as well as from J-1 to H1-B. J-1 for instance is a visa type for cultural exchange and it's been known a major vehicle of abuse and illegal immigration because. J-1 has been replacing lower-skilled labor however.
        zerr 10y ago
        We are not talking about abusing of H1B, but when the candidate really satisfies the requirements and the salary offered is on par or better compared to local worker at the same level. So we agree that "importing" skilled people is good for the country.
        rodionos 10y ago
        I actually talked about a different subject, namely secondary effects. I argued that the displacement of jobs with H-1B visa holders is greater that the exact number of H-1Bs due to additional pool of H-4 candidates who are now in a better position to compete for new job openings.
        zerr 10y ago
        And I was saying that there is nothing wrong with it. The less bureaucratic hassle for skilled people the better.
        mavelikara 10y ago
        > due to additional pool of H-4 candidates Counting out H-4 EADs [1], the spouse on H-4 has to apply for an H-1B, go through the lottery, prove his/her qualifications, and only then get a job. So no, being on H-4 does not automatically get one a job. [1] at which point they are only one step away from permanent residency