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> Actual laughter was produced at a generator product page. You must be a blast at cocktail parties then. >Stationary battery storage soaks up power when powe

by iaw 10y ago

> Actual laughter was produced at a generator product page. You must be a blast at cocktail parties then. >Stationary battery storage soaks up power when power is cheap, releases it when the cost is higher and energy demand is higher and has a 10 year minimum life I think you're making a few unsubstantiated assumptions here. Primarily that the cost differential in electricity (or the availability of renewables) is broad enough for the Tesla tech to be significantly profitable. I ran the numbers: a Tesla PW2 gives you ~20.3MWh throughout it's useful life for $5500 limited by power availability and recharge rate. A slightly more powerful Ford generator at $1500 with $4000 worth of diesel fuel would yield ~8.9MWh of anytime power with the ability to run on waste oils and a comparatively perpetual lifespan. So, 44% the power cost with a power wall but a substantially higher upfront cost, a considerably lower salvage value, and a number of restrictions on it's usage (hope you don't need power during sustained outages in the Northeast). Any more chuckles?

toomuchtodo 10y ago
"SolarCity developed a microgrid with 1.4 megawatts of solar generation capacity — enough to power nearly 100% of the island, according to a SolarCity blog posted on Tuesday. The microgrid is enabled by 60 Tesla Powerpacks, the company's large commercial battery, which can store solar energy at night." http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-powers-tau-in-american-samoa-with-solar-powerpack-2016-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-powers-tau-in-american-... "The Kauai project consists of a 52 megawatt-hour battery installation plus a 13 megawatt SolarCity solar farm. Tesla and the Kauai Island Utility Cooperative, the power company that ordered the project, believe the project will reduce fossil fuel usage by 1.6 million gallons per year." http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/8/14854858/tesla-solar-hawaii-kauai-kiuc-powerpack-battery-generator http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/8/14854858/tesla-solar-hawaii... "On Thursday, Tesla announced that it had been chosen “through a competitive process” to supply utility company Southern California Edison with 20 MW (or 80 MWh) of battery storage. In May, regulators ordered Southern California Edison to invest in utility-scale battery networks after natural gas provider SoCal Gas leaked 1.6 million pounds of methane into the atmosphere when a well ruptured at its Aliso Canyon Natural Gas Storage Facility." https://arstechnica.com/business/2016/09/socal-utility-will-buy-80mwh-of-battery-storage-from-tesla-after-methane-leak/ https://arstechnica.com/business/2016/09/socal-utility-will-... "California will shortly bring more Tesla energy storage systems online in Southern California Edison’s (SCE’s) service area. The 50 MW projects (utilizing Tesla’s Powerpack 2) are conducted by Macquarie Capital, the corporate advisory, capital markets and principal investing arm of Macquarie Group (a global finance corporation)." http://insideevs.com/southern-california-edison-to-bring-online-50-mw-tesla-powerpack-2-system/ http://insideevs.com/southern-california-edison-to-bring-onl... "With the confidence of a well-oiled pizza shop, Elon Musk “seriously” said that Tesla could deliver a more than 100 MWh Powerpack project to Australia in 100 days – or it will be free." ... "Considering a large part of the 100 days will be for shipping the Powerpacks and other equipment from Nevada to Australia and then installing those packs, I wouldn’t be surprised if it means that Tesla and Panasonic already have a capacity of over 100 MWh per month at the Gigafactory. That’s a significant 1.2 GWh annualized rate." https://electrek.co/2017/03/10/tesla-gigafactory-elon-musk-confidence-battery-production/ https://electrek.co/2017/03/10/tesla-gigafactory-elon-musk-c... I bought my TSLA at $17/share. I am chuckling all the way to the bank.

by iaw 10y ago

toomuchtodo 10y ago

"SolarCity developed a microgrid with 1.4 megawatts of solar generation capacity — enough to power nearly 100% of the island, according to a SolarCity blog posted on Tuesday. The microgrid is enabled by 60 Tesla Powerpacks, the company's large commercial battery, which can store solar energy at night." http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-powers-tau-in-american-samoa-with-solar-powerpack-2016-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-powers-tau-in-american-... "The Kauai project consists of a 52 megawatt-hour battery installation plus a 13 megawatt SolarCity solar farm. Tesla and the Kauai Island Utility Cooperative, the power company that ordered the project, believe the project will reduce fossil fuel usage by 1.6 million gallons per year." http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/8/14854858/tesla-solar-hawaii-kauai-kiuc-powerpack-battery-generator http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/8/14854858/tesla-solar-hawaii... "On Thursday, Tesla announced that it had been chosen “through a competitive process” to supply utility company Southern California Edison with 20 MW (or 80 MWh) of battery storage. In May, regulators ordered Southern California Edison to invest in utility-scale battery networks after natural gas provider SoCal Gas leaked 1.6 million pounds of methane into the atmosphere when a well ruptured at its Aliso Canyon Natural Gas Storage Facility." https://arstechnica.com/business/2016/09/socal-utility-will-buy-80mwh-of-battery-storage-from-tesla-after-methane-leak/ https://arstechnica.com/business/2016/09/socal-utility-will-... "California will shortly bring more Tesla energy storage systems online in Southern California Edison’s (SCE’s) service area. The 50 MW projects (utilizing Tesla’s Powerpack 2) are conducted by Macquarie Capital, the corporate advisory, capital markets and principal investing arm of Macquarie Group (a global finance corporation)." http://insideevs.com/southern-california-edison-to-bring-online-50-mw-tesla-powerpack-2-system/ http://insideevs.com/southern-california-edison-to-bring-onl... "With the confidence of a well-oiled pizza shop, Elon Musk “seriously” said that Tesla could deliver a more than 100 MWh Powerpack project to Australia in 100 days – or it will be free." ... "Considering a large part of the 100 days will be for shipping the Powerpacks and other equipment from Nevada to Australia and then installing those packs, I wouldn’t be surprised if it means that Tesla and Panasonic already have a capacity of over 100 MWh per month at the Gigafactory. That’s a significant 1.2 GWh annualized rate." https://electrek.co/2017/03/10/tesla-gigafactory-elon-musk-confidence-battery-production/ https://electrek.co/2017/03/10/tesla-gigafactory-elon-musk-c... I bought my TSLA at $17/share. I am chuckling all the way to the bank.