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Does that mean google can't bundle a web browser with the operating system now?

by rb808 10y ago

ocdtrekkie 10y ago
Google now has: The dominant operating system, the dominant web browser, the dominant search engine, and the dominant email service. They bundle all of these together and make them relatively independent, and there still isn't an antitrust suit in the US. This is where all the money Google pours into government comes into play.
- fixermark 10y ago
  Interesting. Why do you assume it's money as opposed to, say, federal prosecutors having over a decade and a half of hindsight to conclude that the Microsoft antitrust suit was a giant fiasco that cost a great deal of money and time and, ultimately, never had the desired effect?
- dmitrygr 10y ago
  On Android on most phones Chrome does not come preinstalled. Samsung, LGE, etc all ship their won browsers. Users must actively seek out chrome and install it themselves... So no at all like IE/MS in the 90s
- yomly 10y ago
  Actually, I think it all comes down to the fact that Google's "products" are all free. I think the fact that a service is given away for free has been the loophole for Google and Facebook to create large and powerful all-encompassing monopolies on things which really shouldn't be monopolised.
- Tomis02 10y ago
  When Chrome was launched, all you could see when using Google were Chrome ads, and with good reason - success by word of mouth alone can only come if your product is significantly better than the alternatives, which Chrome definitely was not (probably still isn't). I do find some satisfaction in this, though, because another browser comes to mind. Firefox won its brief market dominance not through intrinsic quality (although it had some potential, and was surely better than IE), but through marketing campaigns, just like Chrome. Now the once-mighty are falling, and they ask themselves what went wrong. Well, when your product's only selling point are extensions (mainly developer extensions) and instead of focusing on performance, features and security you keep spouting "safer faster better" [1], there will come a time when someone with more marketing money to throw around will take your place, because your foundation isn't solid. Also, "good enough" works for most people, so if the IT person in their family set up Chrome for them, that's what they'll be using (just like they were using Firefox a decade ago). [1] There used to be a "Firefox myths" website, it's not up anymore. http://www.gilsmethod.com/whyfirefoxnotsaferfasterbetter http://www.gilsmethod.com/whyfirefoxnotsaferfasterbetter
  - ocdtrekkie 10y ago
    I think Firefox has recently had a bit of a fire lit under them, and has been going full steam at getting back into being a competitive option.

Does that mean google can't bundle a web browser with the operating system now?

by rb808 10y ago

Does that mean google can't bundle a web browser with the operating system now?

Google now has: The dominant operating system, the dominant web browser, the dominant search engine, and the dominant email service. They bundle all of these together and make them relatively independent, and there still isn't an antitrust suit in the US. This is where all the money Google pours into government comes into play.

fixermark 10y ago
Interesting. Why do you assume it's money as opposed to, say, federal prosecutors having over a decade and a half of hindsight to conclude that the Microsoft antitrust suit was a giant fiasco that cost a great deal of money and time and, ultimately, never had the desired effect?
dmitrygr 10y ago
On Android on most phones Chrome does not come preinstalled. Samsung, LGE, etc all ship their won browsers. Users must actively seek out chrome and install it themselves... So no at all like IE/MS in the 90s
yomly 10y ago
Actually, I think it all comes down to the fact that Google's "products" are all free. I think the fact that a service is given away for free has been the loophole for Google and Facebook to create large and powerful all-encompassing monopolies on things which really shouldn't be monopolised.
Tomis02 10y ago
When Chrome was launched, all you could see when using Google were Chrome ads, and with good reason - success by word of mouth alone can only come if your product is significantly better than the alternatives, which Chrome definitely was not (probably still isn't). I do find some satisfaction in this, though, because another browser comes to mind. Firefox won its brief market dominance not through intrinsic quality (although it had some potential, and was surely better than IE), but through marketing campaigns, just like Chrome. Now the once-mighty are falling, and they ask themselves what went wrong. Well, when your product's only selling point are extensions (mainly developer extensions) and instead of focusing on performance, features and security you keep spouting "safer faster better" [1], there will come a time when someone with more marketing money to throw around will take your place, because your foundation isn't solid. Also, "good enough" works for most people, so if the IT person in their family set up Chrome for them, that's what they'll be using (just like they were using Firefox a decade ago). [1] There used to be a "Firefox myths" website, it's not up anymore. http://www.gilsmethod.com/whyfirefoxnotsaferfasterbetter http://www.gilsmethod.com/whyfirefoxnotsaferfasterbetter
- ocdtrekkie 10y ago
  I think Firefox has recently had a bit of a fire lit under them, and has been going full steam at getting back into being a competitive option.