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To put that into context, most of those cars are not Full Size luxury sedans. Tesla only has 2 models right now, and completely dominates the fullsize luxury sp

To put that into context, most of those cars are not Full Size luxury sedans. Tesla only has 2 models right now, and completely dominates the fullsize luxury space. http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2017/01/usa-december-2016-large-luxury-car-sales-stats.html http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2017/01/usa-december-2016-large...

oblio 10y ago
Hmm... you've linked a report with data only for the US for the other manufacturers, while, as far as I can see, Tesla's report is for global sales. I doubt Tesla dominates anything regarding global sales, at this moment :)
- parhurs 10y ago
  The link does have estimates for Tesla U.S. sales in December 2016. Tesla: 2400 (WSJ) to 5300 (hybridcars.com) compared to the "class leading" Mercedes-Benz S-Class: 1494. It does seem Tesla is dominating in this class (luxury cars). Figures for the whole year are 26,525 - 29,156 (Tesla) vs. 18,803 (Mercedes-Benz S-Class).
  - jacquesm 10y ago
    I really don't see Tesla to be even close to an S-Class, totally different market.
  - raisedbyninjas 10y ago
    Drivetrain aside, I think the E-class would compare favorably to the model S for many people. This comparison is similar to the Apple computers sales numbers at least from the Jobs days. They would claim to set sales records, but only had a 4 model lineup when their competition would have 6 models just in their SOHO lineup.
  - petewailes 10y ago
    I'm willing to go out on a limb and say the S Class and the Model S aren't in the same category. The E would be closer, but given the mindset behind purchasing each, I'm not certain there is a competitor to the Model S. There's no equivalent to "buying a Tesla" for another brand, which is a lot of why you buy one. The picture gets more interesting when you look outside the US, where they sell about 15/20% of the E class, BMW 5 series, Audi A4 and other similar cars, which are a much closer match to a Tesla.
    - votingprawn 10y ago
      Whilst I like and appreciate the technology in the Model S, I too would struggle to class them as luxury along side the S class. I genuinely find the fit, finish, and comfort (cabin noise in particular - thank you double glazing!) in my 20 year old S Class to be better. The E-class feels a much better comparison to me.
    - koreyb 10y ago
      It is a tough comparison. E class starts at $52k USD, Tesla Model S at $72k (no fed tax credit, and the 60 will be discontinued soon so jumps to $78k w/ the 75), S class at $97k. Model S tops out at $160k, S class at ~$250k w/ a S65 or technically a Maybach. Interior and luxury the S class wins for sure. Performance and tech the Tesla wins.
      - Cyph0n 10y ago
        Are you sure that Tesla's tech is significantly better than that of a S class? The S class Benz has been at the forefront of safety tech for over a decade now; I recall it having adaptive cruise control in 2005 or so.
        koreyb 10y ago
        I didn't write significantly. Anecdotally, it is better (I own both). Highway self-driving, OTA updates, situational awareness, screens, auto Homelink, GPS air suspension, etc.
sf_rob 10y ago
This is also an unfair comparison, since it's unclear how inelastic demand is for full size luxury sedans vs mid size luxury sedans. I'd bet that if BMW stopped selling the 1-4 series, a decent chunk of their followers would buy a 5+ series. Likewise, many people buy a Model S because they want a Tesla and would buy a 3 if it were available.

oblio 10y ago

Hmm... you've linked a report with data only for the US for the other manufacturers, while, as far as I can see, Tesla's report is for global sales. I doubt Tesla dominates anything regarding global sales, at this moment :)

parhurs 10y ago
The link does have estimates for Tesla U.S. sales in December 2016. Tesla: 2400 (WSJ) to 5300 (hybridcars.com) compared to the "class leading" Mercedes-Benz S-Class: 1494. It does seem Tesla is dominating in this class (luxury cars). Figures for the whole year are 26,525 - 29,156 (Tesla) vs. 18,803 (Mercedes-Benz S-Class).
- jacquesm 10y ago
  I really don't see Tesla to be even close to an S-Class, totally different market.
- raisedbyninjas 10y ago
  Drivetrain aside, I think the E-class would compare favorably to the model S for many people. This comparison is similar to the Apple computers sales numbers at least from the Jobs days. They would claim to set sales records, but only had a 4 model lineup when their competition would have 6 models just in their SOHO lineup.
- petewailes 10y ago
  I'm willing to go out on a limb and say the S Class and the Model S aren't in the same category. The E would be closer, but given the mindset behind purchasing each, I'm not certain there is a competitor to the Model S. There's no equivalent to "buying a Tesla" for another brand, which is a lot of why you buy one. The picture gets more interesting when you look outside the US, where they sell about 15/20% of the E class, BMW 5 series, Audi A4 and other similar cars, which are a much closer match to a Tesla.
  - votingprawn 10y ago
    Whilst I like and appreciate the technology in the Model S, I too would struggle to class them as luxury along side the S class. I genuinely find the fit, finish, and comfort (cabin noise in particular - thank you double glazing!) in my 20 year old S Class to be better. The E-class feels a much better comparison to me.
  - koreyb 10y ago
    It is a tough comparison. E class starts at $52k USD, Tesla Model S at $72k (no fed tax credit, and the 60 will be discontinued soon so jumps to $78k w/ the 75), S class at $97k. Model S tops out at $160k, S class at ~$250k w/ a S65 or technically a Maybach. Interior and luxury the S class wins for sure. Performance and tech the Tesla wins.
    - Cyph0n 10y ago
      Are you sure that Tesla's tech is significantly better than that of a S class? The S class Benz has been at the forefront of safety tech for over a decade now; I recall it having adaptive cruise control in 2005 or so.
      - koreyb 10y ago
        I didn't write significantly. Anecdotally, it is better (I own both). Highway self-driving, OTA updates, situational awareness, screens, auto Homelink, GPS air suspension, etc.

sf_rob 10y ago

This is also an unfair comparison, since it's unclear how inelastic demand is for full size luxury sedans vs mid size luxury sedans. I'd bet that if BMW stopped selling the 1-4 series, a decent chunk of their followers would buy a 5+ series. Likewise, many people buy a Model S because they want a Tesla and would buy a 3 if it were available.