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What is money, really? Money, today, is not in sync with a world made of matter and with the needs of a changing world. Your city needs to build a new bridge,

by remir 10y ago

What is money, really? Money, today, is not in sync with a world made of matter and with the needs of a changing world. Your city needs to build a new bridge, a subway station or a new hospital? It has the engineers, the architects, the workers, the machines and the materials needed, you can begin construction right now, but if there is no "money", nothing will get done. How absurd is that? I just came back from the dollar store and the amount of energy, time and resources that went into the production of useless crap is absolutely mind boggling. UBI is inevitable, but for something like this to be possible, our use of money will have to change. It will need to be in sync with the real world and right now, the resources of this world are diminishing and its environment is being degraded. Meanwhile, real human needs are not met. We cannot artificially maintain a life style of over-consumption and wastefulness with a UBI. Things have to change. The population growth will need to be controlled. We have to stop wasting resources. No more planned obsolescence.

groestl 10y ago
Exactly. As another user in this thread pointed out, people tend to apply microeconomic thinking to macroeconomic problems. They think in monetary terms, but money is irrelevant in this context. What matters is produce, the capital to produce, and the power to enjoy produce (which money represents, currently). There is no way to "save" money for the retirement, without also making sure the economy fares well as you age. If your country's economy does not produce anything at the point of retirement (and no other country is sending you their products, either forced, because your society projects military power, or freely, because their society thinks it's inhuman for your population to suffer), your saved currency is worthless.
NickBusey 10y ago
I'm curious how exactly you would go about controlling population growth.
- remir 10y ago
  Access to better education and opportunities, especially for women, in developing countries. Promoting the use of contraception, too.

by remir 10y ago

groestl 10y ago

Exactly. As another user in this thread pointed out, people tend to apply microeconomic thinking to macroeconomic problems. They think in monetary terms, but money is irrelevant in this context. What matters is produce, the capital to produce, and the power to enjoy produce (which money represents, currently). There is no way to "save" money for the retirement, without also making sure the economy fares well as you age. If your country's economy does not produce anything at the point of retirement (and no other country is sending you their products, either forced, because your society projects military power, or freely, because their society thinks it's inhuman for your population to suffer), your saved currency is worthless.

NickBusey 10y ago

I'm curious how exactly you would go about controlling population growth.

remir 10y ago
Access to better education and opportunities, especially for women, in developing countries. Promoting the use of contraception, too.