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Think if you believe you're able to pick it, then buy one, pick it, post the video to YouTube with ADs enabled - and you'll easily make back the cost of buying

Think if you believe you're able to pick it, then buy one, pick it, post the video to YouTube with ADs enabled - and you'll easily make back the cost of buying the lock. As for bumping and the key strength, given those topics are covered in the second video, you're comment to me at best feels naive. Lastly, no system is prefect. Even if the metal the lock is made of was unbreakable and as a result you could 't destroy the lock to bypass it, you could still build a robot that inserts a metal key to turn the lock and dynamically assembles and inserts every possible bidding for each pin. Feel free to post a lock you like, locks to me are more about simplicity vs security - not some overly complex system will never be used in mass production.

gech 10y ago
You didn't respond to the first point about astroturfing.
- caminante 10y ago
  The first sentence argues that buying the lock and posting a video of cracking the lock would be financially positive. It's also not astroturfing if the company itself is advertising the product. The video's linked from Bowley's youtube channel.
  - Teever 10y ago
    So is wonderous working for this company?
    - caminante 10y ago
      What's your point/argument?
      - mentat 10y ago
        In Hacker News it's considered to be good form to disclose financial associations. Do you also work for the company?
        caminante 10y ago
        >Do you also work for the company? I submit that your statement relies on an unfounded premise (at least from my scan of this thread) that wonderous works for the company. Also, by your standard, if wonderous doesn't work for said company, he's still complying with your "standard." Yet, you're still making an implicit accusation. The purpose of my initial comment was to address the potshot accusation of astroturfing after, IMHO, wonderous had responded in good faith.
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StavrosK 10y ago
> Think if you believe you're able to pick it, then buy one, pick it, post the video to YouTube with ADs enabled - and you'll easily make back the cost of buying the lock. What if he thinks that someone will be able to pick it? Someone who picks locks for a living, perhaps?
- jononor 10y ago
  Offer to donate a lock in exchange for a public video howto? Or to reimburse first one to post such a video?
huxleypig 10y ago
I can open this lock with nothing more than a paper clip, maybe even less. Bill has no imagination, his bump key would never have worked. Ever.
saul_goodman 10y ago
New ideas are always good, nothing advances without trying new stuff. I'm sad I missed out that they had gone into production, I thought I was on the list for that. Or maby I just missed it. The main issue with this system is the stainless steel keys I think (required to have enough strength so they don't bend up). High security keys always cost more, but cutting SS keys has to be murder on the key duplicator (and $20 per key is quite a price and reflects the challenge of working with SS). And it's more expensive for Bowley, so lower profit margin compared to their competitors even at scale. However I'm sure the quality is good for that price. I am curious though, are their any anti-drill pins in the cylinder? Or, if the entire cylinder is Stainless then that is practically the same thing.
- wonderous 10y ago
  Per Ryan Bowley & Tyler Bowley: >> "The entire lock is made out of hardened stainless steel the same as the key. Unlike most locks which have a single hardened anti drill pin in a brass plug. That being said its not made of diamond and can be drilled like any other lock with the right bit and enough time. The purpose of a high security lock is to block manipulation attacks forcing a destructive attack. Its very hard to stop a destructive attack because then your whole house becomes the weak point. The door, the windows, etc." SOURCE: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2136537678/bowley-lock-relaunch/comments?cursor=14163537#comment-14163536 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2136537678/bowley-lock-...

gech 10y ago

You didn't respond to the first point about astroturfing.

caminante 10y ago
The first sentence argues that buying the lock and posting a video of cracking the lock would be financially positive. It's also not astroturfing if the company itself is advertising the product. The video's linked from Bowley's youtube channel.
- Teever 10y ago
  So is wonderous working for this company?
  - caminante 10y ago
    What's your point/argument?
    - mentat 10y ago
      In Hacker News it's considered to be good form to disclose financial associations. Do you also work for the company?
      - caminante 10y ago
        >Do you also work for the company? I submit that your statement relies on an unfounded premise (at least from my scan of this thread) that wonderous works for the company. Also, by your standard, if wonderous doesn't work for said company, he's still complying with your "standard." Yet, you're still making an implicit accusation. The purpose of my initial comment was to address the potshot accusation of astroturfing after, IMHO, wonderous had responded in good faith.
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StavrosK 10y ago

> Think if you believe you're able to pick it, then buy one, pick it, post the video to YouTube with ADs enabled - and you'll easily make back the cost of buying the lock. What if he thinks that someone will be able to pick it? Someone who picks locks for a living, perhaps?

jononor 10y ago
Offer to donate a lock in exchange for a public video howto? Or to reimburse first one to post such a video?

huxleypig 10y ago

I can open this lock with nothing more than a paper clip, maybe even less. Bill has no imagination, his bump key would never have worked. Ever.

saul_goodman 10y ago

New ideas are always good, nothing advances without trying new stuff. I'm sad I missed out that they had gone into production, I thought I was on the list for that. Or maby I just missed it. The main issue with this system is the stainless steel keys I think (required to have enough strength so they don't bend up). High security keys always cost more, but cutting SS keys has to be murder on the key duplicator (and $20 per key is quite a price and reflects the challenge of working with SS). And it's more expensive for Bowley, so lower profit margin compared to their competitors even at scale. However I'm sure the quality is good for that price. I am curious though, are their any anti-drill pins in the cylinder? Or, if the entire cylinder is Stainless then that is practically the same thing.

wonderous 10y ago
Per Ryan Bowley & Tyler Bowley: >> "The entire lock is made out of hardened stainless steel the same as the key. Unlike most locks which have a single hardened anti drill pin in a brass plug. That being said its not made of diamond and can be drilled like any other lock with the right bit and enough time. The purpose of a high security lock is to block manipulation attacks forcing a destructive attack. Its very hard to stop a destructive attack because then your whole house becomes the weak point. The door, the windows, etc." SOURCE: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2136537678/bowley-lock-relaunch/comments?cursor=14163537#comment-14163536 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2136537678/bowley-lock-...