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They are literally bad. Low carb diets is a fad that makes it easy for people to lose weight, but carbs are important, it's literally our bodies favourite type

by fredsir 10y ago

They are literally bad. Low carb diets is a fad that makes it easy for people to lose weight, but carbs are important, it's literally our bodies favourite type of nutrient, and all populations through history that has done well for themself has been high carb, and people wouldn't have to cut out carbs if they cut out all the actually unhealthy stuff they choose to eat instead. Fats are important, carbs are important and so on. Saturated fat, cholesterol, hormones, refined oil, refined sugar and so on are never healthy to consume. You shouldn't ignore the fact that the number one cause of humans deaths (cardiovascular disease, heart disease, type 2 diabetes and some types of cancer) is directly tied to eating meat, fish, eggs, dairy and oil. Especially dairy. Dairy is arguably the worst of the culprits, but the others are not healthy either, not by any measure. Less bad does not make good. Not in any big or small amount. And yes, you might not get sick from eating them if you eat less of them, but that doesn't make them healthy, and since they also are the single biggest cause of climate change (because of the way they are produced), and that consuming those things when we don't need to at all is ethically corrupt, there is really no good reason to do so.

kayoone 10y ago
I myself try to limit my meat and cheese consumption but i like joghurt and other dairy for example. But i also cycle 60+km every week at a fast pace, have normal weight and would consider myself to be pretty fit. I don't disagree that a lot of the biggest killers are related to eating habits, but i think it's mostly because people don't eat a balanced diet and on top of that have not enough physical activity. I have a lot of South American (Brazil/Argentina) co-workers and friends who sit in front of a computer all day and hardly doing anything physical, They also consume tons of meat, cheese, fried stuff, eggs and its a culture where it's almost seen as offensive if you don't eat meat and vegan options in those countries are super limited. A lot of them are also pretty overweight, which shows that they don't really have a balance and it's clear to me that some of them will get problems when they get older but many people just don't care too much, same with smokers or people that drink a lot on weekends. So i believe the number one killers are all mostly lifestyle related and can't be attributed to some specific type of food so easily.
- fredsir 10y ago
  Indeed, lifestyle (including diet) is the biggest problem. But when you then see what the problems in the diet is, the biggest one in for example America is dairy and then meat and oil. Again, you can be healthier than others eating those things, but if you were in that case, not eating it would make you much healthier than your previous self. And not forgetting that as little as the amount of dairy in three glasses of milk a day increases you chance notably of getting prostate cancer, colon cancer, cardiovascular disease and heart disease. A big portion of yoghurt often have more than that. Exercising doesn't decrease those chances by much if at all.
  - jhasse 10y ago
    If that would really be the case, we should see huge differences for people with lactose intolerance, shouldn't we?
    - fredsir 10y ago
      I don't believe so. The problem isn't dairy per se, it's what's in dairy. If you just replace the saturated fat you get from dairy with saturated sat from meat or coconut milk or whatever, the result is the same.
      - jhasse 10y ago
        Then please stop saying dairy is the problem but saturated fats.
        fredsir 10y ago
        That's like saying I shouldn't say smoking is bad because it's not the action of smoking that is bad for you, it's what is in the smoke that is. Dairy is bad because dairy is a package consisting of too much saturated fat, and cholesterol and hormones which you don't need to consume at all. It's also increasingly consisting of antibiotics and other drugs which are also bad for you.
milesrout 10y ago
They are literally not bad. There's nothing at all wrong with eating meat, eggs, fish, dairy or oil. The number one cause of humans' deaths is directly tied to drinking water as well. Just because people eat meat, fish, eggs, dairy and oil and then die does not make those things bad. People die from eating fatty food fried in poor quality oil every day of their lives, yes. That doesn't mean that oil is bad for you, it doesn't mean that fat is bad for you, it doesn't mean that you're at risk of heart attack if you have something that's fried every now and again. Of course we have to eat things in moderation, but the idea that because overconsuming something is bad for you then any amount of it must be a little bit bad for you? That's bunk. That's just not true. Dairy is not bad for you, oil is not bad for you, sugar is not bad for you. And there is, emphatically, absolutely nothing wrong with drinking cows milk. I'm not going to give up eating meta, fish, eggs, dairy and oil just because you think that the effect of food on your health is linearly proportional to how much of it you consume.
- fredsir 10y ago
  > They are literally not bad. Consuming saturated fat, hormones and cholesterol is literally bad for you. It affects your body in a negative way without any benefit in contrast to alternatives aka bad for you. > The number one cause of humans' deaths is directly tied to drinking water as well. Just because people eat meat, fish, eggs, dairy and oil and then die does not make those things bad. You could say that, and just because I worded something poorly doesn't change the facts that those particular things in meat, dairy and so on is never good for you. > People die from eating fatty food fried in poor quality oil every day of their lives, yes. That doesn't mean that oil is bad for you, it doesn't mean that fat is bad for you, it doesn't mean that you're at risk of heart attack if you have something that's fried every now and again. There is no health-benefit to consuming refined oil instead of getting oil in their natural package, but there are lots of health concerns, so yeah it's bad. Fat is not bad for you, but saturated fat is bad for you when it's put into a package where it has too much of it compared to what else is in the package, which is the case for dairy, meat and so on. By your logic, smoking is not bad for you either as long as you only smoke a little. > Of course we have to eat things in moderation, but the idea that because overconsuming something is bad for you then any amount of it must be a little bit bad for you? That's bunk. That's just not true. Dairy is not bad for you, oil is not bad for you, sugar is not bad for you. It is bad for you because you can get the same good stuff there is in it from other sources that doesn't have the bad stuff. What you are proposing is, that if you eat a little bit of something that is bad for you, it's not bad. But that is a complete fallacy. It's always bad for you. Will it have a negative effect on you in the long run? Not if you don't overdo it, but that doesn't change the fact that it is bad for you. The only time that dairy, meat and so on is good for you is in the absence of alternative food so you would starve if you didn't consume it. > oil is not bad for you, sugar is not bad for you. Refined oil and refined sugar is always bad for you. It has no positives, only negatives. It's bad. > And there is, emphatically, absolutely nothing wrong with drinking cows milk. There sure is. For a cow to give milk, it has to be pregnant and it then has to give birth to a calf. But for you to drink the milk instead of the calf, the calf has to be taken away and be put on some other nutrition that is not it's natural nutrition (cows milk - yeah, that is what it is, growth food for a baby cow, not human food), or it has to be killed. The process is very traumatic for both the cow and the calf, and they will often be stressed and moan for weeks, except in the case of the calf that is often killed not many days old. For the cow to constantly give milk instead of only when it becomes pregnant naturally, it has to be raped by a human on a schedule so it never stops giving milk, and when the cow reaches 4-6 old, the cow is in so bad state it can't keep on producing the required amount of milk, so it is sent to a slaughterhouse and horribly killed and slaughtered. A cow will live to 20-26 years old in nature. There is nothing empathic about people thinking that cows milk is their right, even if it is killed in the most pain-free and lives with the least amount of suffering possible for it to be a dairy cow, which unfortunately is not true for more 1/10.000.000 dairy cows. > I'm not going to give up eating meta, fish, eggs, dairy and oil just because you think that the effect of food on your health is linearly proportional to how much of it you consume. I'm not thinking these things. Science is. The only reason it's still part of a normal diet in the way it is, is because of powerful lobbying done by the dairy, meat, egg and fishing industry, and because just like you (and me 5 years back) I couldn't contain the thought of not consuming these things, so I'd gladly ignore the problems with them. So do a lot of doctors and scientists and so on.
bigtimeidiot 10y ago
>They are literally bad. Low carb diets is a fad that makes it easy for people to lose weight, but carbs are important, it's literally our bodies favourite type of nutrient, and all populations through history that has done well for themself has been high carb You're going to have to argue with the multitude of people who have had success beyond "losing weight" on low carb diets. The days of calling low carb a "fad" are waning.
- fredsir 10y ago
  > You're going to have to argue with the multitude of people who have had success beyond "losing weight" on low carb diets. Their success is feeling great, not preventing sickness. They are gonna get them too, at some point, probably, but they might feel great until then. You can feel great on almost any diet, but only few helps preventing these diet-related sicknesses. > The days of calling low carb a "fad" are waning. Low carb is gonna come around and bite people in the ass. High carb is so important for a good balanced health (science agrees about that), and has no negatives except if you also want to eat 2000cals of eggs, meat and cheese a day, in which case you are gonna get fat, and then cutting out the boring carbs is the choice people are choosing, instead of cutting out the eggs, meat and cheese, a choice which is gonna give them diabetes type 2, cardiovascular disease, heart disease and cancer in the long while.
youneedasource 10y ago
> Especially dairy. Dairy is arguably the worst of the culprits, but the others are not healthy either, not by any measure. Source? It sounds like you're just making stuff up on a vegan-ish agenda tbh. Because... "Eighteen observational studies were reviewed, the results of which indicate that total dairy intake does not contribute to cardiovascular disease incidence or death. Based on available data, it appears that milk, cheese, and yogurt are inversely associated with cardiovascular disease risk." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4006120/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4006120/
zoloateff 10y ago
i have been eating dairy a lot and have stopped is there something i can do to reverse the adverse affects of eating dairy for so long thanks
- fredsir 10y ago
  To my knowledge, just stopping, as you've done, is the most important thing, and then continue eating healthy, exercising and so on, but you've already done the hardest part. The important thing now is that you stick with it

by fredsir 10y ago

kayoone 10y ago

I myself try to limit my meat and cheese consumption but i like joghurt and other dairy for example. But i also cycle 60+km every week at a fast pace, have normal weight and would consider myself to be pretty fit. I don't disagree that a lot of the biggest killers are related to eating habits, but i think it's mostly because people don't eat a balanced diet and on top of that have not enough physical activity. I have a lot of South American (Brazil/Argentina) co-workers and friends who sit in front of a computer all day and hardly doing anything physical, They also consume tons of meat, cheese, fried stuff, eggs and its a culture where it's almost seen as offensive if you don't eat meat and vegan options in those countries are super limited. A lot of them are also pretty overweight, which shows that they don't really have a balance and it's clear to me that some of them will get problems when they get older but many people just don't care too much, same with smokers or people that drink a lot on weekends. So i believe the number one killers are all mostly lifestyle related and can't be attributed to some specific type of food so easily.

fredsir 10y ago
Indeed, lifestyle (including diet) is the biggest problem. But when you then see what the problems in the diet is, the biggest one in for example America is dairy and then meat and oil. Again, you can be healthier than others eating those things, but if you were in that case, not eating it would make you much healthier than your previous self. And not forgetting that as little as the amount of dairy in three glasses of milk a day increases you chance notably of getting prostate cancer, colon cancer, cardiovascular disease and heart disease. A big portion of yoghurt often have more than that. Exercising doesn't decrease those chances by much if at all.
- jhasse 10y ago
  If that would really be the case, we should see huge differences for people with lactose intolerance, shouldn't we?
  - fredsir 10y ago
    I don't believe so. The problem isn't dairy per se, it's what's in dairy. If you just replace the saturated fat you get from dairy with saturated sat from meat or coconut milk or whatever, the result is the same.
    - jhasse 10y ago
      Then please stop saying dairy is the problem but saturated fats.
      - fredsir 10y ago
        That's like saying I shouldn't say smoking is bad because it's not the action of smoking that is bad for you, it's what is in the smoke that is. Dairy is bad because dairy is a package consisting of too much saturated fat, and cholesterol and hormones which you don't need to consume at all. It's also increasingly consisting of antibiotics and other drugs which are also bad for you.

milesrout 10y ago

They are literally not bad. There's nothing at all wrong with eating meat, eggs, fish, dairy or oil. The number one cause of humans' deaths is directly tied to drinking water as well. Just because people eat meat, fish, eggs, dairy and oil and then die does not make those things bad. People die from eating fatty food fried in poor quality oil every day of their lives, yes. That doesn't mean that oil is bad for you, it doesn't mean that fat is bad for you, it doesn't mean that you're at risk of heart attack if you have something that's fried every now and again. Of course we have to eat things in moderation, but the idea that because overconsuming something is bad for you then any amount of it must be a little bit bad for you? That's bunk. That's just not true. Dairy is not bad for you, oil is not bad for you, sugar is not bad for you. And there is, emphatically, absolutely nothing wrong with drinking cows milk. I'm not going to give up eating meta, fish, eggs, dairy and oil just because you think that the effect of food on your health is linearly proportional to how much of it you consume.

fredsir 10y ago
> They are literally not bad. Consuming saturated fat, hormones and cholesterol is literally bad for you. It affects your body in a negative way without any benefit in contrast to alternatives aka bad for you. > The number one cause of humans' deaths is directly tied to drinking water as well. Just because people eat meat, fish, eggs, dairy and oil and then die does not make those things bad. You could say that, and just because I worded something poorly doesn't change the facts that those particular things in meat, dairy and so on is never good for you. > People die from eating fatty food fried in poor quality oil every day of their lives, yes. That doesn't mean that oil is bad for you, it doesn't mean that fat is bad for you, it doesn't mean that you're at risk of heart attack if you have something that's fried every now and again. There is no health-benefit to consuming refined oil instead of getting oil in their natural package, but there are lots of health concerns, so yeah it's bad. Fat is not bad for you, but saturated fat is bad for you when it's put into a package where it has too much of it compared to what else is in the package, which is the case for dairy, meat and so on. By your logic, smoking is not bad for you either as long as you only smoke a little. > Of course we have to eat things in moderation, but the idea that because overconsuming something is bad for you then any amount of it must be a little bit bad for you? That's bunk. That's just not true. Dairy is not bad for you, oil is not bad for you, sugar is not bad for you. It is bad for you because you can get the same good stuff there is in it from other sources that doesn't have the bad stuff. What you are proposing is, that if you eat a little bit of something that is bad for you, it's not bad. But that is a complete fallacy. It's always bad for you. Will it have a negative effect on you in the long run? Not if you don't overdo it, but that doesn't change the fact that it is bad for you. The only time that dairy, meat and so on is good for you is in the absence of alternative food so you would starve if you didn't consume it. > oil is not bad for you, sugar is not bad for you. Refined oil and refined sugar is always bad for you. It has no positives, only negatives. It's bad. > And there is, emphatically, absolutely nothing wrong with drinking cows milk. There sure is. For a cow to give milk, it has to be pregnant and it then has to give birth to a calf. But for you to drink the milk instead of the calf, the calf has to be taken away and be put on some other nutrition that is not it's natural nutrition (cows milk - yeah, that is what it is, growth food for a baby cow, not human food), or it has to be killed. The process is very traumatic for both the cow and the calf, and they will often be stressed and moan for weeks, except in the case of the calf that is often killed not many days old. For the cow to constantly give milk instead of only when it becomes pregnant naturally, it has to be raped by a human on a schedule so it never stops giving milk, and when the cow reaches 4-6 old, the cow is in so bad state it can't keep on producing the required amount of milk, so it is sent to a slaughterhouse and horribly killed and slaughtered. A cow will live to 20-26 years old in nature. There is nothing empathic about people thinking that cows milk is their right, even if it is killed in the most pain-free and lives with the least amount of suffering possible for it to be a dairy cow, which unfortunately is not true for more 1/10.000.000 dairy cows. > I'm not going to give up eating meta, fish, eggs, dairy and oil just because you think that the effect of food on your health is linearly proportional to how much of it you consume. I'm not thinking these things. Science is. The only reason it's still part of a normal diet in the way it is, is because of powerful lobbying done by the dairy, meat, egg and fishing industry, and because just like you (and me 5 years back) I couldn't contain the thought of not consuming these things, so I'd gladly ignore the problems with them. So do a lot of doctors and scientists and so on.

bigtimeidiot 10y ago

>They are literally bad. Low carb diets is a fad that makes it easy for people to lose weight, but carbs are important, it's literally our bodies favourite type of nutrient, and all populations through history that has done well for themself has been high carb You're going to have to argue with the multitude of people who have had success beyond "losing weight" on low carb diets. The days of calling low carb a "fad" are waning.

fredsir 10y ago
> You're going to have to argue with the multitude of people who have had success beyond "losing weight" on low carb diets. Their success is feeling great, not preventing sickness. They are gonna get them too, at some point, probably, but they might feel great until then. You can feel great on almost any diet, but only few helps preventing these diet-related sicknesses. > The days of calling low carb a "fad" are waning. Low carb is gonna come around and bite people in the ass. High carb is so important for a good balanced health (science agrees about that), and has no negatives except if you also want to eat 2000cals of eggs, meat and cheese a day, in which case you are gonna get fat, and then cutting out the boring carbs is the choice people are choosing, instead of cutting out the eggs, meat and cheese, a choice which is gonna give them diabetes type 2, cardiovascular disease, heart disease and cancer in the long while.

youneedasource 10y ago

> Especially dairy. Dairy is arguably the worst of the culprits, but the others are not healthy either, not by any measure. Source? It sounds like you're just making stuff up on a vegan-ish agenda tbh. Because... "Eighteen observational studies were reviewed, the results of which indicate that total dairy intake does not contribute to cardiovascular disease incidence or death. Based on available data, it appears that milk, cheese, and yogurt are inversely associated with cardiovascular disease risk." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4006120/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4006120/

zoloateff 10y ago

i have been eating dairy a lot and have stopped is there something i can do to reverse the adverse affects of eating dairy for so long thanks

fredsir 10y ago
To my knowledge, just stopping, as you've done, is the most important thing, and then continue eating healthy, exercising and so on, but you've already done the hardest part. The important thing now is that you stick with it