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> (a) is pretty obvious: a bit of meat on occasion is enough to ward off any possible malnutrition. If you don't go fully vegan the risk isn't high, but neither

by fredsir 10y ago

> (a) is pretty obvious: a bit of meat on occasion is enough to ward off any possible malnutrition. If you don't go fully vegan the risk isn't high, but neither is any negative effect the meat may have. You can also ward off any possible malnutrition by eating completely plant-based. It's not hard. You gotta eat more varied than when you eat animal products, but that comes with a bunch of added benefits, so it's really a win-win, and even a small portion of white meat on occasion is a huge tax on the environment compared to plants, and it still comes with all the ethical drawbacks, if you are concerned about that at all. > (b) is probably more controversial, but contrary to what a certain crowd has been hyping, it seems like the evidence against red meat is still ahead. More in regards to cancer, a little less for cardiovascular diseases. The mechanisms aren't clear: Harald zur Hausen (Nobel for HPV) thinks it's viruses from undercooked red meat and only eats it well-done. Cholesterol is more of a symptom than a cause...etc. In any case, science is clear that it's a lot more unhealthy than eating a plant-based diet. It baffles me that people focus on the "it's possible it's not as bad as they say, even though science agrees it's bad, so lets eat it", instead of the "well, there is a lot of controversy about how quickly eating animal products is gonna kill me, so lets just eat the things that don't and that also doesn't unnecessarily destroy our planet and is ethically corrupt".

milesrout 10y ago
The problem is that it's a bad comparison to compare people that eat red meat with people that don't. Lots of people that eat red meat eat it in the form of highly processed low quality meat that's cooked in too much fat and oil, for a start. Lots of them eat far too much of it as well. Nobody is saying 'a steak a day keeps the doctor away'. But red meat is good for you: it's full of all sorts of essential nutrients that you need. It's tasty, and if it were in any serious way harmful then we wouldn't be eating it.
- fredsir 10y ago
  Indeed, unprocessed meat is better than processed meat. That the story with just about anything, also plants. The unhealthy aspect of red meat is 1) it contains a lot of stuff you don't want to consume, like cholesterol, hormones, too much saturated fat, recycled drugs and shit and 2) you can get all these good and important nutrients from other food sources that does not contain the bad stuff, and since there is no benefit to consuming these things via red meat compared to say plants, red meat turns out to be a negative to your health instead of a positive.
  - milesrout 10y ago
    There is nothing wrong with consuming hormones or cholesterol.
    - fredsir 10y ago
      There is. We don't need to consume them at all, as in, they are not beneficial AT ALL and they affect our bodies in a negative way. Dietary cholesterol contributes to clogged arteries and shit, like saturated fat, giving you type 2 diabetes, strokes and shit down the road, the hormones from meat and especially milk is found to give man-tittils, infertility and all kinds of stuff you probably don't want.

by fredsir 10y ago

milesrout 10y ago

The problem is that it's a bad comparison to compare people that eat red meat with people that don't. Lots of people that eat red meat eat it in the form of highly processed low quality meat that's cooked in too much fat and oil, for a start. Lots of them eat far too much of it as well. Nobody is saying 'a steak a day keeps the doctor away'. But red meat is good for you: it's full of all sorts of essential nutrients that you need. It's tasty, and if it were in any serious way harmful then we wouldn't be eating it.

fredsir 10y ago
Indeed, unprocessed meat is better than processed meat. That the story with just about anything, also plants. The unhealthy aspect of red meat is 1) it contains a lot of stuff you don't want to consume, like cholesterol, hormones, too much saturated fat, recycled drugs and shit and 2) you can get all these good and important nutrients from other food sources that does not contain the bad stuff, and since there is no benefit to consuming these things via red meat compared to say plants, red meat turns out to be a negative to your health instead of a positive.
- milesrout 10y ago
  There is nothing wrong with consuming hormones or cholesterol.
  - fredsir 10y ago
    There is. We don't need to consume them at all, as in, they are not beneficial AT ALL and they affect our bodies in a negative way. Dietary cholesterol contributes to clogged arteries and shit, like saturated fat, giving you type 2 diabetes, strokes and shit down the road, the hormones from meat and especially milk is found to give man-tittils, infertility and all kinds of stuff you probably don't want.