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Nah its not the measure I'm not that shallow, but I have a mentality where I think playing the short game when it comes to consuming whatever makes me happy mak

Nah its not the measure I'm not that shallow, but I have a mentality where I think playing the short game when it comes to consuming whatever makes me happy makes my life better than depriving myself out of fear of an early death. It sounds dark, but I would genuinely rather die suddenly while enjoying my life to its fullest instead of clinging on and trying to extend it at the detriment of my fun (puffs cigarette and swigs from a bottle) ;) ;)

fredsir 10y ago
I get that, but I find that the silver lining is to find something you enjoy just as much or even more that also makes you live longer and enjoy it for a greater extend than the unhealthy thing. 5 years back, I loved BBQ rips, steak, cows milk and cows cheese, and thought I couldn't live without it. Today I still love the taste of those things, but I have stopped consuming them and have found alternatives that I like just as much or better with the added benefit that they don't kill me, which adds to me liking them even better.
- kayoone 10y ago
  You make it sound like steak, milk or cheese are bad, but they are not. It's all a matter of balance. Low carb diets are popular for a reason, carbs and sugar are usually seen as more unhealthy than fats and personally i also consider physical activity as an important factor for balance.
  - fredsir 10y ago
    They are literally bad. Low carb diets is a fad that makes it easy for people to lose weight, but carbs are important, it's literally our bodies favourite type of nutrient, and all populations through history that has done well for themself has been high carb, and people wouldn't have to cut out carbs if they cut out all the actually unhealthy stuff they choose to eat instead. Fats are important, carbs are important and so on. Saturated fat, cholesterol, hormones, refined oil, refined sugar and so on are never healthy to consume. You shouldn't ignore the fact that the number one cause of humans deaths (cardiovascular disease, heart disease, type 2 diabetes and some types of cancer) is directly tied to eating meat, fish, eggs, dairy and oil. Especially dairy. Dairy is arguably the worst of the culprits, but the others are not healthy either, not by any measure. Less bad does not make good. Not in any big or small amount. And yes, you might not get sick from eating them if you eat less of them, but that doesn't make them healthy, and since they also are the single biggest cause of climate change (because of the way they are produced), and that consuming those things when we don't need to at all is ethically corrupt, there is really no good reason to do so.
    - kayoone 10y ago
      I myself try to limit my meat and cheese consumption but i like joghurt and other dairy for example. But i also cycle 60+km every week at a fast pace, have normal weight and would consider myself to be pretty fit. I don't disagree that a lot of the biggest killers are related to eating habits, but i think it's mostly because people don't eat a balanced diet and on top of that have not enough physical activity. I have a lot of South American (Brazil/Argentina) co-workers and friends who sit in front of a computer all day and hardly doing anything physical, They also consume tons of meat, cheese, fried stuff, eggs and its a culture where it's almost seen as offensive if you don't eat meat and vegan options in those countries are super limited. A lot of them are also pretty overweight, which shows that they don't really have a balance and it's clear to me that some of them will get problems when they get older but many people just don't care too much, same with smokers or people that drink a lot on weekends. So i believe the number one killers are all mostly lifestyle related and can't be attributed to some specific type of food so easily.
      - fredsir 10y ago
        Indeed, lifestyle (including diet) is the biggest problem. But when you then see what the problems in the diet is, the biggest one in for example America is dairy and then meat and oil. Again, you can be healthier than others eating those things, but if you were in that case, not eating it would make you much healthier than your previous self. And not forgetting that as little as the amount of dairy in three glasses of milk a day increases you chance notably of getting prostate cancer, colon cancer, cardiovascular disease and heart disease. A big portion of yoghurt often have more than that. Exercising doesn't decrease those chances by much if at all.
        jhasse 10y ago
        If that would really be the case, we should see huge differences for people with lactose intolerance, shouldn't we?
        fredsir 10y ago

fredsir 10y ago

I get that, but I find that the silver lining is to find something you enjoy just as much or even more that also makes you live longer and enjoy it for a greater extend than the unhealthy thing. 5 years back, I loved BBQ rips, steak, cows milk and cows cheese, and thought I couldn't live without it. Today I still love the taste of those things, but I have stopped consuming them and have found alternatives that I like just as much or better with the added benefit that they don't kill me, which adds to me liking them even better.

kayoone 10y ago
You make it sound like steak, milk or cheese are bad, but they are not. It's all a matter of balance. Low carb diets are popular for a reason, carbs and sugar are usually seen as more unhealthy than fats and personally i also consider physical activity as an important factor for balance.
- fredsir 10y ago
  They are literally bad. Low carb diets is a fad that makes it easy for people to lose weight, but carbs are important, it's literally our bodies favourite type of nutrient, and all populations through history that has done well for themself has been high carb, and people wouldn't have to cut out carbs if they cut out all the actually unhealthy stuff they choose to eat instead. Fats are important, carbs are important and so on. Saturated fat, cholesterol, hormones, refined oil, refined sugar and so on are never healthy to consume. You shouldn't ignore the fact that the number one cause of humans deaths (cardiovascular disease, heart disease, type 2 diabetes and some types of cancer) is directly tied to eating meat, fish, eggs, dairy and oil. Especially dairy. Dairy is arguably the worst of the culprits, but the others are not healthy either, not by any measure. Less bad does not make good. Not in any big or small amount. And yes, you might not get sick from eating them if you eat less of them, but that doesn't make them healthy, and since they also are the single biggest cause of climate change (because of the way they are produced), and that consuming those things when we don't need to at all is ethically corrupt, there is really no good reason to do so.
  - kayoone 10y ago
    I myself try to limit my meat and cheese consumption but i like joghurt and other dairy for example. But i also cycle 60+km every week at a fast pace, have normal weight and would consider myself to be pretty fit. I don't disagree that a lot of the biggest killers are related to eating habits, but i think it's mostly because people don't eat a balanced diet and on top of that have not enough physical activity. I have a lot of South American (Brazil/Argentina) co-workers and friends who sit in front of a computer all day and hardly doing anything physical, They also consume tons of meat, cheese, fried stuff, eggs and its a culture where it's almost seen as offensive if you don't eat meat and vegan options in those countries are super limited. A lot of them are also pretty overweight, which shows that they don't really have a balance and it's clear to me that some of them will get problems when they get older but many people just don't care too much, same with smokers or people that drink a lot on weekends. So i believe the number one killers are all mostly lifestyle related and can't be attributed to some specific type of food so easily.
    - fredsir 10y ago
      Indeed, lifestyle (including diet) is the biggest problem. But when you then see what the problems in the diet is, the biggest one in for example America is dairy and then meat and oil. Again, you can be healthier than others eating those things, but if you were in that case, not eating it would make you much healthier than your previous self. And not forgetting that as little as the amount of dairy in three glasses of milk a day increases you chance notably of getting prostate cancer, colon cancer, cardiovascular disease and heart disease. A big portion of yoghurt often have more than that. Exercising doesn't decrease those chances by much if at all.
      - jhasse 10y ago
        If that would really be the case, we should see huge differences for people with lactose intolerance, shouldn't we?
        fredsir 10y ago