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Samsung motors is Renault-Nissan really (the group has a stake but no oversight). The different companies in Samsung group are more loosely coupled that you mi

Samsung motors is Renault-Nissan really (the group has a stake but no oversight). The different companies in Samsung group are more loosely coupled that you might think. Samsung Electronics works with Display (which is a recent spin-off), Electro-mechanics, SDI, SDS, maybe Medison these days, but that's about it. And they don't really treat sister companies any better than other suppliers.

jorvi 10y ago
> And they don't really treat sister companies any better than other suppliers. That's simply not true as Samsung Mobile always had dibs on their SAMOLED tech and other phones using SAMOLED displays always used the previous gen panels, as the current gen was always supply constrained. Seems to have gotten a bit better in recent years though.
- hocuspocus 10y ago
  As I said, Samsung Display is a recent spin-off, and of course it didn't change the fact that their SAMOLED roadmap follows that of flagship phones. And recently you can see that other manufacturers are also getting access to good SAMOLED screens, and you'll probably see a Samsung display in the OLED iPhone this year. The same thing would happen to the Exynos product line if the rumored Samsung LSI spin-off materializes. It's normal that Electronics benefits from the billions it poured into R&D with higher priority. However Samsung Electronics sources many other components from sister companies I listed, and they really don't treat them much better than competing suppliers. Electro-Mechanics is always having a hard time vs. STMicroelectronics and Murata. Samsung SDI was put in a tricky position due to the Note 7 debacle, and the S8 probably went back to TDK Amperex and LG Chem batteries. And I know that the relationship with SDS isn't too great either, Samsung Electronics is increasingly using AWS for their online services. Even internally, there's a lot of competition. Flagship phones are still equipped with Qualcomm SoC's in some markets even though there's no technical reason anymore.
  - dba7dba 10y ago
    I don't claim to know the details of Samsung corp structure as much as hocuspocus does but all this internal competition makes sense. And kinda normal. Few examples. There's a lot of friendly and unfriendly competition between different branches of US armed forces. During World War 2, Japanese Army and Navy absolutely hated each other. It was so bad that Japanese Army built a few naval carriers for their planes, all because Japanese Navy didn't want to cooperate readily with the army. When an organization is big enough, such fracturing/competition within the organization seems inevitable...

jorvi 10y ago

> And they don't really treat sister companies any better than other suppliers. That's simply not true as Samsung Mobile always had dibs on their SAMOLED tech and other phones using SAMOLED displays always used the previous gen panels, as the current gen was always supply constrained. Seems to have gotten a bit better in recent years though.

hocuspocus 10y ago
As I said, Samsung Display is a recent spin-off, and of course it didn't change the fact that their SAMOLED roadmap follows that of flagship phones. And recently you can see that other manufacturers are also getting access to good SAMOLED screens, and you'll probably see a Samsung display in the OLED iPhone this year. The same thing would happen to the Exynos product line if the rumored Samsung LSI spin-off materializes. It's normal that Electronics benefits from the billions it poured into R&D with higher priority. However Samsung Electronics sources many other components from sister companies I listed, and they really don't treat them much better than competing suppliers. Electro-Mechanics is always having a hard time vs. STMicroelectronics and Murata. Samsung SDI was put in a tricky position due to the Note 7 debacle, and the S8 probably went back to TDK Amperex and LG Chem batteries. And I know that the relationship with SDS isn't too great either, Samsung Electronics is increasingly using AWS for their online services. Even internally, there's a lot of competition. Flagship phones are still equipped with Qualcomm SoC's in some markets even though there's no technical reason anymore.
- dba7dba 10y ago
  I don't claim to know the details of Samsung corp structure as much as hocuspocus does but all this internal competition makes sense. And kinda normal. Few examples. There's a lot of friendly and unfriendly competition between different branches of US armed forces. During World War 2, Japanese Army and Navy absolutely hated each other. It was so bad that Japanese Army built a few naval carriers for their planes, all because Japanese Navy didn't want to cooperate readily with the army. When an organization is big enough, such fracturing/competition within the organization seems inevitable...