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"One of my hobbies has been to look at how dynamics within various groups change with group size" Do you have a link? I went to your ello page, and now I have

"One of my hobbies has been to look at how dynamics within various groups change with group size" Do you have a link? I went to your ello page, and now I have 7 tabs open, lol. I saw "Conversation doesn't scale very well", but that was only a tiny conversation; unless I missed something. "My suspicion is that ~50 - 500 users is probably a relatively good sweet point, though I'm not sure how that an be utilised to make scalable discussions possible" Just a thought after reading a couple of your ello posts. I wonder is the sweet point is related to "The basis of trust should be local reputation by peers who actually know who you are and that you play fair." [1]. Meaning it might be beneficial to limit discussions to those that are considered experts by their peers? Yet, sometimes outside perspective can be beneficial. As mentioned in [2]. I guess what I'm saying is, are scalable discussions possible? They seem to branch off into many tangents. Just brainstorming here :) 1. https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/iex9l-hxfwop9kdyrvugvq https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/iex9l-hxfwop9kdyrvugvq 2. https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/lu30wakaoho3guaguxrasw https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/lu30wakaoho3guaguxrasw

dredmorbius 10y ago
A lot of this is still ideas floating around my skull and various notes (electronic or paper), not fully organised. Ello is, as I've just noted in a post there, very search-resistant, which is becoming a major pain-point. My post index (see my profile page there) is very sadly out of date, though it has a few items on it. https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/dlz9c2z6x-tvkd7rxtxwpw https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/dlz9c2z6x-tvkd7rxtxwpw I'd put some thoughts together on Reddit and community and what seems to work, or not: https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/20yhxc/reddit_and_community_what_works_what_raises_flags/ https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/20yhxc/reddit_... In the spirit of Thomas Edison, a long list of things that don't work: https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/1w73g4/on_community_discussion_and_fostering_intelligent/ https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/1w73g4/on_comm... You've found two of the better items I'd put together on trust and dialectic discussion at Ello. Though not directly related to size, I've also suggested standardising topical "channels" of discussion: https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/ftpx7lwnfjtopygu5xrkhg https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/ftpx7lwnfjtopygu5xrkhg Somewhere amongst my writing is a suggestion for a tiered set of vaguely Dunbar's Number sized network clusters. Say, 50-150 people per group, themselves organised into clusters of perhaps 50 groups themselves. A small level of tiers gets you to current global population size (5-7 levels as I recall). If each group surfaces, say, 10 - 100 items per day of choice public content, and the filtering is applied upwards, then ... maybe there's a way to have both local and global discussion. Topical interests might be overlays on that, based on net interest. A topic with a 1:50 interest level would draw from all 50 neighbouring clusters for its own base level. A topic with a 1:2500 interest would scale to two levels up -- this retains some level of "locality" whilst also allowing for broader discussion. And branching out between clusters would be possible, but effectively with some additional cost -- UI/UX-imposed or other. Not large, but present. There's an existing (or was) network that was organised somewhat on these terms, though I believe it's not done much. Building initial interest is difficult.

dredmorbius 10y ago

A lot of this is still ideas floating around my skull and various notes (electronic or paper), not fully organised. Ello is, as I've just noted in a post there, very search-resistant, which is becoming a major pain-point. My post index (see my profile page there) is very sadly out of date, though it has a few items on it. https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/dlz9c2z6x-tvkd7rxtxwpw https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/dlz9c2z6x-tvkd7rxtxwpw I'd put some thoughts together on Reddit and community and what seems to work, or not: https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/20yhxc/reddit_and_community_what_works_what_raises_flags/ https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/20yhxc/reddit_... In the spirit of Thomas Edison, a long list of things that don't work: https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/1w73g4/on_community_discussion_and_fostering_intelligent/ https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/1w73g4/on_comm... You've found two of the better items I'd put together on trust and dialectic discussion at Ello. Though not directly related to size, I've also suggested standardising topical "channels" of discussion: https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/ftpx7lwnfjtopygu5xrkhg https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/ftpx7lwnfjtopygu5xrkhg Somewhere amongst my writing is a suggestion for a tiered set of vaguely Dunbar's Number sized network clusters. Say, 50-150 people per group, themselves organised into clusters of perhaps 50 groups themselves. A small level of tiers gets you to current global population size (5-7 levels as I recall). If each group surfaces, say, 10 - 100 items per day of choice public content, and the filtering is applied upwards, then ... maybe there's a way to have both local and global discussion. Topical interests might be overlays on that, based on net interest. A topic with a 1:50 interest level would draw from all 50 neighbouring clusters for its own base level. A topic with a 1:2500 interest would scale to two levels up -- this retains some level of "locality" whilst also allowing for broader discussion. And branching out between clusters would be possible, but effectively with some additional cost -- UI/UX-imposed or other. Not large, but present. There's an existing (or was) network that was organised somewhat on these terms, though I believe it's not done much. Building initial interest is difficult.