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Posting under throwaways starts you off looking like you're arguing in bad faith, so it's understandable. I'll be honest, you sound like a bit of an extremist.

Posting under throwaways starts you off looking like you're arguing in bad faith, so it's understandable. I'll be honest, you sound like a bit of an extremist. I've never heard anyone call for "white genocide", in fact the only time I've seen the term used is by neo-nazis; it's kind of a shibboleth. It's hard for me to justify responding rather than just reporting/downvoting and moving on, and that's probably what others are doing, too. So, stick away from hyperbole, use your main account, and maybe in the worst case, accept that your attempts at spin are losing in the marketplace of ideas. There's probably a reason that a lot of people dislike what you have to say, and it isn't necessarily ignorance or identity politics or a preference for white genocide or any of the other alt-right nonsense.

69throwaway69 10y ago
I up-vote every comment in the tree I comment in, because I usually get collapsed after a few minutes, when it comes to politics. I lost 275 karma in 3 months, and gave up on putting significant effort into posting on things relevant to my career/passions, it's extremely discouraging. This college professor, among many others calls for whatever violence is necessary. He went off, saying do whatever it takes, but do not allow this event to occur, and the conservative speaker cancelled. http://www.redstate.com/uploads/2016/12/white-genocide.jpg http://www.redstate.com/uploads/2016/12/white-genocide.jpg He was the same guy who tweeted, last week, that the man who gave his first class seat to a soldier in uniform almost made him vomit in his seat.. Michael Moore, and many others have published very similar works to the A.C. literal guides on how to be a domestic terrorist, in effort to smother free speech of those who disagree. Somebody from hn, added a handful of my coworkers on linkedin, and subsequently facebook, while they were in a fit of rage, calling me as a fascist and other names, followed by blocking me and everyone they added, a week after the election. Edit: More people will discuss my use of a throwaway, then acknowledge that some of these groups are literally terrifying.
- youdontknowtho 10y ago
  Gotta admit, it seems like altrighterz would really like to see a rise in violence, and this sounds like a way to justify it to yourselves. After Dick Spencer got hit on camera you guys have been trying to simultaneously make the Antifa people out to be some kind of vanguard of violent liberalism that could turn into terrorism and a group of spoiled college kids that are ineffectual and efite. It's a talking point. I know that you want us to think that and I can see why you would like us to, but Antifa is just not the threat that you say it is and what you are doing is pretty transparent.
  - zo1 10y ago
    A rise in violence is inevitable. The left/right are fundamentally at odds with one another. Once people realize that certain things are not "just the way it is" and accept it, the more they'll see it as violence upon them. Therefore, the logical step after that is retaliation. That is the point where the left/right can no longer co-exist within the same nation. It's like everyone is living in this rosey world, where we accept things that we disagree with for 4 years because "it's just the way it is", and "gee-golly we lost". If you think a policy is wrong/bad/immoral, do something about it, otherwise you don't really think it's bad. The illusion will break at some point, and it will make a lot of people very angry/violent. You can already see it happening now with sanctuary cities, and blatant disregard for basic laws. Certain groups have decided to do something, and we will be seeing a rise in unrest/violence.
    - watscheatcodes 10y ago
      https://heatst.com/tech/reddit-vs-subreddit-admins-upset-anarchists-threatened-to-blow-up-anti-trans-free-speech-bus/ https://heatst.com/tech/reddit-vs-subreddit-admins-upset-ana...
    - youdontknowtho 10y ago
      Sanctuary cities. You need to get out of your bubble. That's not even remotely what most people are worried about. Not by a long shot.
    - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
      Wow that's a lot of angst. Sanctuary Cities is precisely "doing something about it" right? I don't think they're cesspools of anarchy.
cyberpunk 10y ago
I don't agree with a lot of the right/alt-right/whatever people who are out there, but I think the anonymous poster hits on a point I've been mulling for a while. We are completely legitimizing the behaviour of shutting down discussion because we are doing it too. There are universities who boycott discussions from people who don't agree with them, there was a petition with some large number of signatures to try and stop Trump visiting the UK, in Germany people who openly support a political party lost their jobs. I don't think we're even capable of changing an opinion we hold anymore, we can't even discuss it. Nazi's? Racists? People who think they have a right to abuse children? I disagree with these groups, but they have a right to exist even though we find them abhorrent. You can only punish criminals. It's a dangerous road to start persecuting only on thought/worldview and yet we're doing it already. "The right to swing my fist ends where the other man’s nose begins."
- Frondo 10y ago
  I'm OK in a world where nazis who are out talking about nazi things (like expelling/murdering non-white races) get punched while they're doing it. But, whether brave nazi punchers are out in force, these groups aren't being shut down just because they're not being invited to university campuses to give talks. The nazis have all the platform they need--they can publish their materials, go out and talk in public spaces, whatever--their speech isn't generally being suppressed. Just not welcomed in a lot of places, because most people don't actually want to hear the nazi point of view.
  - cyberpunk 10y ago
    That enables them to do the same things though! It's a double edged sword. While I'd like the inner karma from smacking some sense into a skinhead, doing so completely prevents us from having a stand against them when they do it to whoever they decide is their version of our 'nazi'. I my point was that we shouldn't do anything above disagree with people who hold ANY views. As soon as they become criminals, or as soon as they are clearly preparing for some kind of horrible crime then THAT's the point where it's okay to step in. Forgetting the Nazis; is it okay to drop someone from a board for aligning with a politican you disagree with? Or to remove someone from a project for having a sexual kink outside the mainstream? I think it's not ok, and it's very shortsighted to think that accepting suppression like this while you agree with the current target isnt helping to progress a dangerous trend which any one of us cound find ourselves on the wrong side of someday. We're putting people in prison for having certain books these days, and it's not OK. Edit: typo

69throwaway69 10y ago

I up-vote every comment in the tree I comment in, because I usually get collapsed after a few minutes, when it comes to politics. I lost 275 karma in 3 months, and gave up on putting significant effort into posting on things relevant to my career/passions, it's extremely discouraging. This college professor, among many others calls for whatever violence is necessary. He went off, saying do whatever it takes, but do not allow this event to occur, and the conservative speaker cancelled. http://www.redstate.com/uploads/2016/12/white-genocide.jpg http://www.redstate.com/uploads/2016/12/white-genocide.jpg He was the same guy who tweeted, last week, that the man who gave his first class seat to a soldier in uniform almost made him vomit in his seat.. Michael Moore, and many others have published very similar works to the A.C. literal guides on how to be a domestic terrorist, in effort to smother free speech of those who disagree. Somebody from hn, added a handful of my coworkers on linkedin, and subsequently facebook, while they were in a fit of rage, calling me as a fascist and other names, followed by blocking me and everyone they added, a week after the election. Edit: More people will discuss my use of a throwaway, then acknowledge that some of these groups are literally terrifying.

youdontknowtho 10y ago
Gotta admit, it seems like altrighterz would really like to see a rise in violence, and this sounds like a way to justify it to yourselves. After Dick Spencer got hit on camera you guys have been trying to simultaneously make the Antifa people out to be some kind of vanguard of violent liberalism that could turn into terrorism and a group of spoiled college kids that are ineffectual and efite. It's a talking point. I know that you want us to think that and I can see why you would like us to, but Antifa is just not the threat that you say it is and what you are doing is pretty transparent.
- zo1 10y ago
  A rise in violence is inevitable. The left/right are fundamentally at odds with one another. Once people realize that certain things are not "just the way it is" and accept it, the more they'll see it as violence upon them. Therefore, the logical step after that is retaliation. That is the point where the left/right can no longer co-exist within the same nation. It's like everyone is living in this rosey world, where we accept things that we disagree with for 4 years because "it's just the way it is", and "gee-golly we lost". If you think a policy is wrong/bad/immoral, do something about it, otherwise you don't really think it's bad. The illusion will break at some point, and it will make a lot of people very angry/violent. You can already see it happening now with sanctuary cities, and blatant disregard for basic laws. Certain groups have decided to do something, and we will be seeing a rise in unrest/violence.
  - watscheatcodes 10y ago
    https://heatst.com/tech/reddit-vs-subreddit-admins-upset-anarchists-threatened-to-blow-up-anti-trans-free-speech-bus/ https://heatst.com/tech/reddit-vs-subreddit-admins-upset-ana...
  - youdontknowtho 10y ago
    Sanctuary cities. You need to get out of your bubble. That's not even remotely what most people are worried about. Not by a long shot.
  - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
    Wow that's a lot of angst. Sanctuary Cities is precisely "doing something about it" right? I don't think they're cesspools of anarchy.

cyberpunk 10y ago

I don't agree with a lot of the right/alt-right/whatever people who are out there, but I think the anonymous poster hits on a point I've been mulling for a while. We are completely legitimizing the behaviour of shutting down discussion because we are doing it too. There are universities who boycott discussions from people who don't agree with them, there was a petition with some large number of signatures to try and stop Trump visiting the UK, in Germany people who openly support a political party lost their jobs. I don't think we're even capable of changing an opinion we hold anymore, we can't even discuss it. Nazi's? Racists? People who think they have a right to abuse children? I disagree with these groups, but they have a right to exist even though we find them abhorrent. You can only punish criminals. It's a dangerous road to start persecuting only on thought/worldview and yet we're doing it already. "The right to swing my fist ends where the other man’s nose begins."

Frondo 10y ago
I'm OK in a world where nazis who are out talking about nazi things (like expelling/murdering non-white races) get punched while they're doing it. But, whether brave nazi punchers are out in force, these groups aren't being shut down just because they're not being invited to university campuses to give talks. The nazis have all the platform they need--they can publish their materials, go out and talk in public spaces, whatever--their speech isn't generally being suppressed. Just not welcomed in a lot of places, because most people don't actually want to hear the nazi point of view.
- cyberpunk 10y ago
  That enables them to do the same things though! It's a double edged sword. While I'd like the inner karma from smacking some sense into a skinhead, doing so completely prevents us from having a stand against them when they do it to whoever they decide is their version of our 'nazi'. I my point was that we shouldn't do anything above disagree with people who hold ANY views. As soon as they become criminals, or as soon as they are clearly preparing for some kind of horrible crime then THAT's the point where it's okay to step in. Forgetting the Nazis; is it okay to drop someone from a board for aligning with a politican you disagree with? Or to remove someone from a project for having a sexual kink outside the mainstream? I think it's not ok, and it's very shortsighted to think that accepting suppression like this while you agree with the current target isnt helping to progress a dangerous trend which any one of us cound find ourselves on the wrong side of someday. We're putting people in prison for having certain books these days, and it's not OK. Edit: typo