I'll second this. Clojure was my first language, and I think I've been spoiled. Learning mutable programming was a lot harder for me, especially when you add th

I'll second this. Clojure was my first language, and I think I've been spoiled. Learning mutable programming was a lot harder for me, especially when you add the object oriented paradigm to it. I think a lot of people who learned it that way first underestimate how much complexity they had to master in order to be productive.