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"Make all users post under real names that you verify". Advantages: * Better comment quality: verified users would think twice if they wanted a curse words to

"Make all users post under real names that you verify". Advantages: * Better comment quality: verified users would think twice if they wanted a curse words to show up when someone googled their name. * Connectivity: If you like someone's reasoning and thinking, it would be easier to check out more about what they do online (accomplishments, blogs, twitter, etc). Disadvantages, anyone?

ErrantX 16y ago
pbiggar might have some insights here, his startup (newstilt) uses Facebook logins only for this very reason. Disadvantages? It's hard to do- how do you verify the names? Some people will post more insightful things under their pseudonym. Take my example; I'm quite happy to discuss my work openly if it is interesting (which it has proven in the past). My pseudonym is very open and you can find out who I am in about 2 minutes; but if I had to use my real name directly I'm not sure I would post so openly about those topics.
arethuza 16y ago
How would you go about verifying someone's real identity? Or by real names do you mean having identities strongly linked to accounts on other systems (e.g. Facebook) that probably have more reputable identity details? Even Certificate Authorities these days don't do a whole lot of verification of your identity when getting a personal certificate - it's usually at the level of checking that you have access to an email account.
thirdstation 16y ago
1) The Internet never forgets. If you post something regretful in a fit of rage you can never take it back. You are not the same person you were ten years ago (even if you have the same name). Do you want to be judged today on how that person behaved back then? It is naive to think you won't be judged so. 2) There are some really batsh*t-crazy people in the world. I prefer to be somewhat isolated from them. 3) How do you verify a real name from a real-sounding name? I would also like to see some evidence that "Real Name" = "better comments".
- sarvenna 16y ago
  #3 is what always confuses me about the argument that switching to real names would in and of itself make flames and trolling less common. That said, I don't think this is necessarily something where solid evidence matters. It seems to me that requiring real names is much more about making bloggers and journalists who consistently have their real names attached to postings feel more on an even footing with their commentariat. See, for example, this post on crosscut where Ted Van Dyk argues that he feels more comfortable with a critic that has a real name attached: http://crosscut.com/blog/crosscut/19530/Should-online-comments-carry-real-names--Why-not-/ http://crosscut.com/blog/crosscut/19530/Should-online-commen... Is that about categorical differences in comment quality, or personal comfort within a newsroom?
  - thirdstation 16y ago
    I put discussion/aggregator sites like HN in a different class than news sites. We come here to talk about things we see elsewhere. It's not very important who we are in Real Life. I think anonymity can improve the discussions. Mr. Van Dyk makes a valid point but doesn't take it to the conclusion that comments aren't created equal. I would prefer to only see comments that improve the overall quality of the article -- just like the old days when you had to write a letter to the editor to augment or rebut an article (as he mentions).
fragmede 16y ago
Connectivity is only helped by your real name if you actually have a unique name, but for all the John and Jane Does in the world, a unique pseudonym is more likely to be (uniquely) "Googleable". (Then again, some of the John Does who share a name with someone more successful/famous might not mind the mix-up.)
steveklabnik 16y ago
>Disadvantages, anyone? There are certain things that I'd like to comment on at times, but don't, because I post under my real name. I hold some controversial opinions on things, but I refuse to have them permanently associated with my name on the internet in an easily abusable way. Any statement can be taken out of context. For example, I thought long and hard before making this comment: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1314757 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1314757 I only lurked on /r/anarchism for a long time, and didn't post there. Now I do. There are a few other things that I just can't talk about in a public forum. I would contribute meaningful and thoughtful discussion if my account was anonymous.
- tom_ilsinszki 16y ago
  See your point (btw I liked the comment you posted about your gf; I feel the same way). Okay then, there should be an option to mask your identity as anonymous, if you're not totally comfortable with a subject and post it like that. But those who would comment under their (real) name could get a higher priority for that given comment. EDIT: an algorithm to verify identity (far from perfect and not necessarily for HN) 1) Give 1 person a verified account (linked to facebook) who the admins know personally. 2) Let that person invite her _facebook friends_ to the system. ... and so on
  - thirdstation 16y ago
    I look at privacy as a zero-sum game. Under your scheme, I can elect to comment pseudo-anonymously but, I'm not really anonymous. I've given my anonymity to HN (and the OP indirectly). If I give something away I want to feel equally compensated. I wouldn't in this case. I'm not opposed to using real names but, reject being compelled to do so.
omgsean 16y ago
Not that it's hard to find out how I am based on my username, but I might hold back on posting my opinions on controversial matters if they were going to be sitting right next to my real name.
smokey_the_bear 16y ago
A large part of why I chose a pseudonym is because I'm a woman. People react very differently on tech boards to people they think are women.

ErrantX 16y ago

pbiggar might have some insights here, his startup (newstilt) uses Facebook logins only for this very reason. Disadvantages? It's hard to do- how do you verify the names? Some people will post more insightful things under their pseudonym. Take my example; I'm quite happy to discuss my work openly if it is interesting (which it has proven in the past). My pseudonym is very open and you can find out who I am in about 2 minutes; but if I had to use my real name directly I'm not sure I would post so openly about those topics.

arethuza 16y ago

How would you go about verifying someone's real identity? Or by real names do you mean having identities strongly linked to accounts on other systems (e.g. Facebook) that probably have more reputable identity details? Even Certificate Authorities these days don't do a whole lot of verification of your identity when getting a personal certificate - it's usually at the level of checking that you have access to an email account.

thirdstation 16y ago

1) The Internet never forgets. If you post something regretful in a fit of rage you can never take it back. You are not the same person you were ten years ago (even if you have the same name). Do you want to be judged today on how that person behaved back then? It is naive to think you won't be judged so. 2) There are some really batsh*t-crazy people in the world. I prefer to be somewhat isolated from them. 3) How do you verify a real name from a real-sounding name? I would also like to see some evidence that "Real Name" = "better comments".

sarvenna 16y ago
#3 is what always confuses me about the argument that switching to real names would in and of itself make flames and trolling less common. That said, I don't think this is necessarily something where solid evidence matters. It seems to me that requiring real names is much more about making bloggers and journalists who consistently have their real names attached to postings feel more on an even footing with their commentariat. See, for example, this post on crosscut where Ted Van Dyk argues that he feels more comfortable with a critic that has a real name attached: http://crosscut.com/blog/crosscut/19530/Should-online-comments-carry-real-names--Why-not-/ http://crosscut.com/blog/crosscut/19530/Should-online-commen... Is that about categorical differences in comment quality, or personal comfort within a newsroom?
- thirdstation 16y ago
  I put discussion/aggregator sites like HN in a different class than news sites. We come here to talk about things we see elsewhere. It's not very important who we are in Real Life. I think anonymity can improve the discussions. Mr. Van Dyk makes a valid point but doesn't take it to the conclusion that comments aren't created equal. I would prefer to only see comments that improve the overall quality of the article -- just like the old days when you had to write a letter to the editor to augment or rebut an article (as he mentions).

fragmede 16y ago

Connectivity is only helped by your real name if you actually have a unique name, but for all the John and Jane Does in the world, a unique pseudonym is more likely to be (uniquely) "Googleable". (Then again, some of the John Does who share a name with someone more successful/famous might not mind the mix-up.)

steveklabnik 16y ago

>Disadvantages, anyone? There are certain things that I'd like to comment on at times, but don't, because I post under my real name. I hold some controversial opinions on things, but I refuse to have them permanently associated with my name on the internet in an easily abusable way. Any statement can be taken out of context. For example, I thought long and hard before making this comment: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1314757 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1314757 I only lurked on /r/anarchism for a long time, and didn't post there. Now I do. There are a few other things that I just can't talk about in a public forum. I would contribute meaningful and thoughtful discussion if my account was anonymous.

tom_ilsinszki 16y ago
See your point (btw I liked the comment you posted about your gf; I feel the same way). Okay then, there should be an option to mask your identity as anonymous, if you're not totally comfortable with a subject and post it like that. But those who would comment under their (real) name could get a higher priority for that given comment. EDIT: an algorithm to verify identity (far from perfect and not necessarily for HN) 1) Give 1 person a verified account (linked to facebook) who the admins know personally. 2) Let that person invite her _facebook friends_ to the system. ... and so on
- thirdstation 16y ago
  I look at privacy as a zero-sum game. Under your scheme, I can elect to comment pseudo-anonymously but, I'm not really anonymous. I've given my anonymity to HN (and the OP indirectly). If I give something away I want to feel equally compensated. I wouldn't in this case. I'm not opposed to using real names but, reject being compelled to do so.

omgsean 16y ago

Not that it's hard to find out how I am based on my username, but I might hold back on posting my opinions on controversial matters if they were going to be sitting right next to my real name.

smokey_the_bear 16y ago

A large part of why I chose a pseudonym is because I'm a woman. People react very differently on tech boards to people they think are women.