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Based on your extensive experience studying plane-building collisions?

pier25 10y ago
Obviously I'm not an expert... But if there was a fire strong enough to vanish 90% of the fuselage, the passengers, and other stuff, then why is it we can still see pentagon furniture, and plastic stuff such as computer monitors? http://pop.h-cdn.co/assets/15/37/980x490/landscape-1441997568-146219731-c210c21f58-b.jpg http://pop.h-cdn.co/assets/15/37/980x490/landscape-144199756...
- ceejayoz 10y ago
  Because vanishing 90% of the furniture and computer monitors in a large office building leaves 10% of it to show up in photos, especially on the periphery of the fire?
  - pier25 10y ago
    And what about the wings of the plane? Obviously those didn't go through the building. https://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/pentagonxox30.jpg https://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/pentagon...
    - ceejayoz 10y ago
      Christ, ten seconds on Google for "pentagon wings 9/11" would've done the trick. The wings of a plane are basically soda cans filled with fuel. http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5659/debunking-911-myths-pentagon/ http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5659/debunking-911... > When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings. > Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen." Anything else trivially answerable you're interested in?
      - pier25 10y ago
        Nice try. Here is what a crashed plane looks like. http://clickhowto.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/plane-crash.jpg http://clickhowto.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/plane-crash... http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2016/11/30/6860e5e9293049f9ac7582bf2171dfa5_18.jpg http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2016/11/30/6860e5e92... https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/8f/5a/cc/8f5acc115759cc2ac277417e04213c09.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/8f/5a/cc/8f5acc115... http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01210/denver-plane-crash_1210284c.jpg http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01210/denver-pla... See? There's a lot of fuselage still there.
        ceejayoz 10y ago
        The first one you link to was a plane that skidded in on landing. Video of the crash is readily available, and makes it clear that comparing it to a deliberate, full-speed crash into a reinforced building is maliciously stupid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXDalv7kNQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXDalv7kNQ The fourth you link to appears to be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Airlines_Flight_1404 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Airlines_Flight_14..., which didn't even get into the air in that crash - it just skidded off the runway. The other two photos I can't immediately identify, but strongly suspect are similar cases. I've linked elsewhere in the comments better examples. Here's what happens when a Concorde hits a hotel: http://www.concordesst.com/accident/englishreport/images/vueaerienprincipauxelements.jpg http://www.concordesst.com/accident/englishreport/images/vue... And here's what happens when someone suicidal points a plane into the ground: http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150324150543-25b-plane-crash-0324-restricted-super-169.jpg http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150324150543-25b-pl... As it has become clear your statement "I don't know what happened and I can only make conclusions based on the data I have access to" is a lie, I'm done here.

Obviously I'm not an expert... But if there was a fire strong enough to vanish 90% of the fuselage, the passengers, and other stuff, then why is it we can still see pentagon furniture, and plastic stuff such as computer monitors? http://pop.h-cdn.co/assets/15/37/980x490/landscape-1441997568-146219731-c210c21f58-b.jpg http://pop.h-cdn.co/assets/15/37/980x490/landscape-144199756...

ceejayoz 10y ago
Because vanishing 90% of the furniture and computer monitors in a large office building leaves 10% of it to show up in photos, especially on the periphery of the fire?
- pier25 10y ago
  And what about the wings of the plane? Obviously those didn't go through the building. https://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/pentagonxox30.jpg https://truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/pentagon...
  - ceejayoz 10y ago
    Christ, ten seconds on Google for "pentagon wings 9/11" would've done the trick. The wings of a plane are basically soda cans filled with fuel. http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5659/debunking-911-myths-pentagon/ http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5659/debunking-911... > When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings. > Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen." Anything else trivially answerable you're interested in?
    - pier25 10y ago
      Nice try. Here is what a crashed plane looks like. http://clickhowto.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/plane-crash.jpg http://clickhowto.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/plane-crash... http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2016/11/30/6860e5e9293049f9ac7582bf2171dfa5_18.jpg http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2016/11/30/6860e5e92... https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/8f/5a/cc/8f5acc115759cc2ac277417e04213c09.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/8f/5a/cc/8f5acc115... http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01210/denver-plane-crash_1210284c.jpg http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01210/denver-pla... See? There's a lot of fuselage still there.
      - ceejayoz 10y ago
        The first one you link to was a plane that skidded in on landing. Video of the crash is readily available, and makes it clear that comparing it to a deliberate, full-speed crash into a reinforced building is maliciously stupid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXDalv7kNQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXDalv7kNQ The fourth you link to appears to be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Airlines_Flight_1404 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Airlines_Flight_14..., which didn't even get into the air in that crash - it just skidded off the runway. The other two photos I can't immediately identify, but strongly suspect are similar cases. I've linked elsewhere in the comments better examples. Here's what happens when a Concorde hits a hotel: http://www.concordesst.com/accident/englishreport/images/vueaerienprincipauxelements.jpg http://www.concordesst.com/accident/englishreport/images/vue... And here's what happens when someone suicidal points a plane into the ground: http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150324150543-25b-plane-crash-0324-restricted-super-169.jpg http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150324150543-25b-pl... As it has become clear your statement "I don't know what happened and I can only make conclusions based on the data I have access to" is a lie, I'm done here.