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where's the plane?

sanswork 10y ago
You're honestly expecting an aluminum can the be intact after it smashes into a reenforced building at a few hundred miles per hour? The plane is there, this group of pictures includes pictures of it. There just isn't much left.
- ultimatejs 10y ago
  You'd see way more evidence than what they have provided. There is basically no video footage of the plane hitting the pentagon. That's very strange considering the building is stacked full of cameras--or so you would assume. That building wasn't hit by a plane. At the very least we would have crystal clear videos of it happening. What I think it was is this: the false flag planners got a little overzealous and didn't pull the Pentagon attack off as well (no proper videos, planes in plain plain sight) so they have resolved to downplaying it. Now they're back showing photos to convince people that need very little evidence to believe something. You can just tell by the way they have 2 photos of a serial number and an american airlines logo. Of course it could be real, but don't tell me you can't imagine top players saying: "Make sure you put these clearly branded items in a few photos." If a plane really hit, what I expect to see is a all the plain parts that are there put back together in a chalk layout like a murder scene. I expect to see piles and piles of those pieces of metal with serial numbers on it. The problem can only be that they just don't have it. And not cuz every single piece but precisely one with a serial number on it was destroyed. If they have a piece with a serial number on it, that means they should have 100 pieces of the same metal type without the serial number on it.
  - sanswork 10y ago
    Why would they release that video? What would they have to gain other than giving away the locations of their security cameras? Why would you expect crystal clear videos of it happening? https://nokiamuseum.info/category/launching-year/2001/ https://nokiamuseum.info/category/launching-year/2001/ There is an example of the types of phones around in 2001. So we're not going to have third party video. We're going to have shitty thirdparty security cameras(which we received footage from) or the pentagons own security cameras which they aren't going to release the footage from. You're also ignoring all the eye witnesses.
    - Zancarius 10y ago
      The OP was also ignoring what happens to aircraft traveling at high velocities and colliding with reinforced structures. Something like the F-4 test in 1988 is illustrative of what can happen [1] (note: only the wingtips survived, and only because they never impacted the target). Of course, the immediate rebuttal usually offered by conspiracists is to suggest that the Pentagon was not a block of concrete, which is true, but it is still a reinforced structure with a stone façade. The design limited the travel of the 757 toward the interior rings of the building (though it still penetrated) but it was far less destructive being as 1) the 757 is a smaller aircraft than a 767 and 2) the reinforced structure of the Pentagon prohibited a substantial portion of the damage. I'm still not sure why there are individuals who believe this to be some ridiculous conspiracy, because they're clearly retroactively applying our technological and cultural circumstances today to the attacks in 2001--completely ignoring evidence such as what you've presented of the phones available in that era. Not to mention that if the Pentagon was indeed "chock full of cameras" in 2001, they were likely monitoring exits, hallways, etc., and probably wouldn't show anything interesting: One moment, power and lights are on; next moment, everything is dark or the feed is off. A bit useless! [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV_baW5OERY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV_baW5OERY
      - ultimatejs 10y ago
        We need to leave the middle east immediately. It's another vietnam. It doesn't matter whether it was a false flag or not. What matters is what actions they used it to justify. That said so many things don't add up--and no, evidence doesn't add up on either side of the 911 issue--leaves no reason to trust the American government. If you do, you must need something to follow. Or you just can't believe the american government would do any wrong and lie to us.. Do you believe Russia's hacked the DNC? did you read the report they produced. There is absolutely no proof, yet US Intelligence can tell the media it happened and we all believe it. The same is true with basically everything. It's news produced by US Intelligence and the powers that be with no real evidence and you believe it. I read the report by the DNI on the Russian hacking. It covered only possible intent based on news they posted to social media and RT.com. So yea my friend, all you doubters trust the US Government too much. 911 might not have been a false flag, what matters is what we have done since and what we continue to do. Now we're supposed to believe we have to stay in the middle east because we have to clean up our mess. More lies. They dont want us there. Americans wouldn't want us there if we weren't brainwashed by the fake threat of terrorism on the daily. We have killed hundreds of thousands in the middle east and less than 3k died in 911 and less than that in the 16 years since then in both the US and Europe. For something so big as attacking the entire Middle East for 16 years against everyone's will, I have no choice but to believe there is elite forces at work. Anyway, the evidence of bits and bytes of wreckage matters not. It's all just too messy and not definitive enough to believe.
snickerbockers 10y ago
It was strewn about in tiny pieces after it hit the ground at 600MPH.
nkrisc 10y ago
Thoroughly mixed with the debris.

where's the plane?

You're honestly expecting an aluminum can the be intact after it smashes into a reenforced building at a few hundred miles per hour? The plane is there, this group of pictures includes pictures of it. There just isn't much left.

ultimatejs 10y ago
You'd see way more evidence than what they have provided. There is basically no video footage of the plane hitting the pentagon. That's very strange considering the building is stacked full of cameras--or so you would assume. That building wasn't hit by a plane. At the very least we would have crystal clear videos of it happening. What I think it was is this: the false flag planners got a little overzealous and didn't pull the Pentagon attack off as well (no proper videos, planes in plain plain sight) so they have resolved to downplaying it. Now they're back showing photos to convince people that need very little evidence to believe something. You can just tell by the way they have 2 photos of a serial number and an american airlines logo. Of course it could be real, but don't tell me you can't imagine top players saying: "Make sure you put these clearly branded items in a few photos." If a plane really hit, what I expect to see is a all the plain parts that are there put back together in a chalk layout like a murder scene. I expect to see piles and piles of those pieces of metal with serial numbers on it. The problem can only be that they just don't have it. And not cuz every single piece but precisely one with a serial number on it was destroyed. If they have a piece with a serial number on it, that means they should have 100 pieces of the same metal type without the serial number on it.
- sanswork 10y ago
  Why would they release that video? What would they have to gain other than giving away the locations of their security cameras? Why would you expect crystal clear videos of it happening? https://nokiamuseum.info/category/launching-year/2001/ https://nokiamuseum.info/category/launching-year/2001/ There is an example of the types of phones around in 2001. So we're not going to have third party video. We're going to have shitty thirdparty security cameras(which we received footage from) or the pentagons own security cameras which they aren't going to release the footage from. You're also ignoring all the eye witnesses.
  - Zancarius 10y ago
    The OP was also ignoring what happens to aircraft traveling at high velocities and colliding with reinforced structures. Something like the F-4 test in 1988 is illustrative of what can happen [1] (note: only the wingtips survived, and only because they never impacted the target). Of course, the immediate rebuttal usually offered by conspiracists is to suggest that the Pentagon was not a block of concrete, which is true, but it is still a reinforced structure with a stone façade. The design limited the travel of the 757 toward the interior rings of the building (though it still penetrated) but it was far less destructive being as 1) the 757 is a smaller aircraft than a 767 and 2) the reinforced structure of the Pentagon prohibited a substantial portion of the damage. I'm still not sure why there are individuals who believe this to be some ridiculous conspiracy, because they're clearly retroactively applying our technological and cultural circumstances today to the attacks in 2001--completely ignoring evidence such as what you've presented of the phones available in that era. Not to mention that if the Pentagon was indeed "chock full of cameras" in 2001, they were likely monitoring exits, hallways, etc., and probably wouldn't show anything interesting: One moment, power and lights are on; next moment, everything is dark or the feed is off. A bit useless! [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV_baW5OERY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV_baW5OERY
    - ultimatejs 10y ago
      We need to leave the middle east immediately. It's another vietnam. It doesn't matter whether it was a false flag or not. What matters is what actions they used it to justify. That said so many things don't add up--and no, evidence doesn't add up on either side of the 911 issue--leaves no reason to trust the American government. If you do, you must need something to follow. Or you just can't believe the american government would do any wrong and lie to us.. Do you believe Russia's hacked the DNC? did you read the report they produced. There is absolutely no proof, yet US Intelligence can tell the media it happened and we all believe it. The same is true with basically everything. It's news produced by US Intelligence and the powers that be with no real evidence and you believe it. I read the report by the DNI on the Russian hacking. It covered only possible intent based on news they posted to social media and RT.com. So yea my friend, all you doubters trust the US Government too much. 911 might not have been a false flag, what matters is what we have done since and what we continue to do. Now we're supposed to believe we have to stay in the middle east because we have to clean up our mess. More lies. They dont want us there. Americans wouldn't want us there if we weren't brainwashed by the fake threat of terrorism on the daily. We have killed hundreds of thousands in the middle east and less than 3k died in 911 and less than that in the 16 years since then in both the US and Europe. For something so big as attacking the entire Middle East for 16 years against everyone's will, I have no choice but to believe there is elite forces at work. Anyway, the evidence of bits and bytes of wreckage matters not. It's all just too messy and not definitive enough to believe.

snickerbockers 10y ago

It was strewn about in tiny pieces after it hit the ground at 600MPH.

nkrisc 10y ago

Thoroughly mixed with the debris.