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This is a pretty bizarre and direct ripoff of pinboard's Tech Solidarity, except run by The Man and they'll "select" who's allowed to attend. Classless and ton

by zorpner 10y ago

This is a pretty bizarre and direct ripoff of pinboard's Tech Solidarity, except run by The Man and they'll "select" who's allowed to attend. Classless and tone-deaf would be charitable interpretation.

ryanisnan 10y ago
As someone who knows little about Tech Solidarity, other than what's shown on their site, it seems like they're a bit different. Sam's group is a little more pointed in the direction of promoting the broader tech community's values into a company, and Tech Solidarity seems to be more about connecting developers to their community and supporting that interaction. Perhaps you can expound?
- idlewords 10y ago
  I've been talking about organizing labor in tech companies around an ethical agenda since December. For example: https://sfbay.techsolidarity.org/2017/01/05/meeting_notes.htm https://sfbay.techsolidarity.org/2017/01/05/meeting_notes.ht... That said, I'm happy to hear YC preaching from the same Bible. I would encourage Sam to coordinate with the many groups already working to what is apparently a shared goal.
  - ryanisnan 10y ago
    I didn't mean to understate or downplay what Tech Solidarity was (I am just learning about it now), so I hope you don't take offence to my my questioning. I am sympathetic to your cause.
    - idlewords 10y ago
      No offense taken at all! Tech Solidarity is about in-person meetings, so I get that it's not easy to get a sense of the agenda from the outside.
- geofft 10y ago
  I have gotten the sense that Tech Solidarity has shifted a bit from "what can we as tech workers do directly to support the political change we want to see" to "how do we build for ourselves the society we want to see reflected in the world at large", which is closer to what Sam seems to be proposing here. (I think this makes sense in a lot of ways, because there are already good people doing the former work, and usually when tech-focused groups try to help out we just get in the way.)
dongslol 10y ago
I see the phrase "tone-deaf" everywhere and still don't get what it means. Is it just another getting-along-with-other-people thing?
- theoh 10y ago
  It's not "just" anything. It implies that the communication in question doesn't appear to be taking account of context or audience, as if it was a song sung by someone who was literally tone-deaf and didn't realise it (not availing of the feedback loop that keeps a voice in tune). It's not necessarily evidence of disrespect by the communicator, but it is applied when the message seems to be unintentionally inappropriate.
  - dongslol 10y ago
    Ok, thanks. (I think I shouldn't have used the word "just.")
rhizome 10y ago
On the contrary, it's entirely class-ful. The lesson from this post is that the moneyed class will not allow the rabble any leadership. But hey, Friday flamebait I guess.
eli_gottlieb 10y ago
Is this Tech Solidarity? https://www.recode.net/2017/1/30/14436496/pinboard-tech-solidarity-asking-techies-employment-contracts https://www.recode.net/2017/1/30/14436496/pinboard-tech-soli... >“Tech workers of the world, unite. You have nothing to lose but your goddamned open-plan offices.” This is the greatest thing I've read all week.

by zorpner 10y ago

ryanisnan 10y ago

As someone who knows little about Tech Solidarity, other than what's shown on their site, it seems like they're a bit different. Sam's group is a little more pointed in the direction of promoting the broader tech community's values into a company, and Tech Solidarity seems to be more about connecting developers to their community and supporting that interaction. Perhaps you can expound?

idlewords 10y ago
I've been talking about organizing labor in tech companies around an ethical agenda since December. For example: https://sfbay.techsolidarity.org/2017/01/05/meeting_notes.htm https://sfbay.techsolidarity.org/2017/01/05/meeting_notes.ht... That said, I'm happy to hear YC preaching from the same Bible. I would encourage Sam to coordinate with the many groups already working to what is apparently a shared goal.
- ryanisnan 10y ago
  I didn't mean to understate or downplay what Tech Solidarity was (I am just learning about it now), so I hope you don't take offence to my my questioning. I am sympathetic to your cause.
  - idlewords 10y ago
    No offense taken at all! Tech Solidarity is about in-person meetings, so I get that it's not easy to get a sense of the agenda from the outside.
geofft 10y ago
I have gotten the sense that Tech Solidarity has shifted a bit from "what can we as tech workers do directly to support the political change we want to see" to "how do we build for ourselves the society we want to see reflected in the world at large", which is closer to what Sam seems to be proposing here. (I think this makes sense in a lot of ways, because there are already good people doing the former work, and usually when tech-focused groups try to help out we just get in the way.)

dongslol 10y ago

I see the phrase "tone-deaf" everywhere and still don't get what it means. Is it just another getting-along-with-other-people thing?

theoh 10y ago
It's not "just" anything. It implies that the communication in question doesn't appear to be taking account of context or audience, as if it was a song sung by someone who was literally tone-deaf and didn't realise it (not availing of the feedback loop that keeps a voice in tune). It's not necessarily evidence of disrespect by the communicator, but it is applied when the message seems to be unintentionally inappropriate.
- dongslol 10y ago
  Ok, thanks. (I think I shouldn't have used the word "just.")

rhizome 10y ago

On the contrary, it's entirely class-ful. The lesson from this post is that the moneyed class will not allow the rabble any leadership. But hey, Friday flamebait I guess.

eli_gottlieb 10y ago

Is this Tech Solidarity? https://www.recode.net/2017/1/30/14436496/pinboard-tech-solidarity-asking-techies-employment-contracts https://www.recode.net/2017/1/30/14436496/pinboard-tech-soli... >“Tech workers of the world, unite. You have nothing to lose but your goddamned open-plan offices.” This is the greatest thing I've read all week.