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> Hacker who hacked no-one Okay, what did they do, then? > Made software abused by hackers Oh, that's unfortunate. It was just a legitimate exploit tool, rig

> Hacker who hacked no-one Okay, what did they do, then? > Made software abused by hackers Oh, that's unfortunate. It was just a legitimate exploit tool, right? > RAT Okay, that's a potentially legitimate type of software— > advertised on HackForums …the case pretty much writes itself. Nobody who has heard of that site can claim with a straight face that software marketed there has innocent intent. The article is sympathetic and argues the author had innocent intentions. Perhaps that's the case, but the problem is that it would be very difficult to persuade people of that, given that someone who in truth did have malintent might act exactly the same (e.g. the disclaimers attached to other such hacking tools).

mindcrime 10y ago
Perhaps that's the case, but the problem is that it would be very difficult to persuade people of that Nobody has to be persuaded that he had innocent intentions. In the US, we base our legal system on presumption of innocence. The onus is on the State to prove that he committed a crime. And if "Intent" is what makes his actions a crime (or not) then then State have to persuade a jury that he had malicious intent. The presumption is that he did not.
andrewflnr 10y ago
It seems like he just stumbled on HackForums and grew comfortable there. It was his place, and having a lot of bad actors around was just normal, even though he wasn't one of them
syshum 10y ago
>>>The article is sympathetic and argues the author had innocent intentions. Perhaps that's the case, but the problem is that it would be very difficult to persuade people of that So you support the idea of Guilty until proven innocent, combined with Guilt by Association. What a terrible combo Most people believe it is up to government (or anyone making the claim it was not for legit use) to prove their claim, it is not up to the defendant to prove they had innocent intentions.
- TazeTSchnitzel 10y ago
  > So you support the idea of Guilty until proven innocent, combined with Guilt by Association. Do I? I'm not saying they're automatically guilty.
  - syshum 10y ago
    No you say he has to prove he made the tool for legit purposes.. that is guilty until proven innocent You have assumed he has malicious intent, and have shifted the burden of proof on to the defendant to disprove your claim
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mindcrime 10y ago

Perhaps that's the case, but the problem is that it would be very difficult to persuade people of that Nobody has to be persuaded that he had innocent intentions. In the US, we base our legal system on presumption of innocence. The onus is on the State to prove that he committed a crime. And if "Intent" is what makes his actions a crime (or not) then then State have to persuade a jury that he had malicious intent. The presumption is that he did not.

andrewflnr 10y ago

It seems like he just stumbled on HackForums and grew comfortable there. It was his place, and having a lot of bad actors around was just normal, even though he wasn't one of them

syshum 10y ago

>>>The article is sympathetic and argues the author had innocent intentions. Perhaps that's the case, but the problem is that it would be very difficult to persuade people of that So you support the idea of Guilty until proven innocent, combined with Guilt by Association. What a terrible combo Most people believe it is up to government (or anyone making the claim it was not for legit use) to prove their claim, it is not up to the defendant to prove they had innocent intentions.

TazeTSchnitzel 10y ago
> So you support the idea of Guilty until proven innocent, combined with Guilt by Association. Do I? I'm not saying they're automatically guilty.
- syshum 10y ago
  No you say he has to prove he made the tool for legit purposes.. that is guilty until proven innocent You have assumed he has malicious intent, and have shifted the burden of proof on to the defendant to disprove your claim
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