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Not trying to be an Apple fanboy here, but at least apple can generate revenue without resorting to something this low. Guess they gotta make sure Mr. McAdam c

Not trying to be an Apple fanboy here, but at least apple can generate revenue without resorting to something this low. Guess they gotta make sure Mr. McAdam can earn his $18,000,000 check.

cdurth 10y ago
What does apple have to do with this?
- ocdtrekkie 10y ago
  Presumably that since Apple directly controls it's software updates, that this sort of thing doesn't occur on their platform.
  - chrisper 10y ago
    Well, if you buy an unlocked phone, then it won't happen to you either. That's why I bought the Pixel from the Google Store and not through a carrier.
    - ocdtrekkie 10y ago
      Are you sure? It seems like Android 6.0 and up has features to allow carriers to deploy code to devices with their SIM cards: https://source.android.com/devices/tech/config/carrier.html https://source.android.com/devices/tech/config/carrier.html I am honestly unsure of the limits on this feature.
      - chrisper 10y ago
        It seems it just provides regular configuration stuff required for certain things. I guess they made this so that people get a good OOB experience when replacing sim cards etc.
- matt_wulfeck 10y ago
  They fought hard to create a platform where this type of thing doesn't/can't happen.
  - Jyaif 10y ago
    closed platforms FTW!
    - wyager 10y ago
      While we're getting a bit into "flame war" territory, it's hard to argue that the current iteration of Android is an "open platform"; practically speaking, most of the useful features of the OS are hidden in the (closed) Google Play Services. Yes, you can go for a custom ROM, but not on all devices and most people don't want to deal with the effort/UX downgrade.
  - cdurth 10y ago
    IMO, it is very ignorant to think they are not getting the data from apple. They just have the ability to openly do it on their own with android.
    - Karunamon 10y ago
      What makes you think they're getting the data from Apple? The entire OS is sandboxed and siloed out the proverbial wazoo, and Apple is demonstrably a very pro-privacy company that doesn't allow most forms of carrier fuckery. Apple has the power here. Verizon needs the iPhone on their network more than Apple needs to support Verizon as a carrier.
    - _jal 10y ago
      If you can demonstrate that, you could use that knowledge to make a ton of money in various ways. If you can't, bluntly, you're blowing smoke. Which is it?
      - matt_wulfeck 10y ago
        The FBI paid $1 million to "get the data from apple", and that was a phone that was several generations of hardware and software security updates old. If you have a magical iPhone exploit, there are people who will pay you a lot of money.
chrisper 10y ago
This has nothing to do with Apple vs. Google. It has more to do with Android being Open Source. So they modify Android + put the Google stuff on it (which Verizon is paying a fee for).
- _jal 10y ago
  But it does. Follow the money - the consequences flow directly from the differing business models. Verizon can't poison Apple's phones, because Apple profits by not selling out their customers. Google benefits from surveilling their customers, so their OS is surveillance-friendly. By piggybacking on Google's purpose-built surveillance-friendly OS, Verizon's commonality of interest with Google benefits them.
  - paulgb 10y ago
    The app store is Apple's way of selling out access to their customers, it just happens to be to developers instead of advertisers. I use Android and iOS so I don't have a horse in the race, but it's disengenous to claim that Apple's business model makes it any more your device than Apple's.
    - ChrisLTD 10y ago
      App Store revenue is a drop in the bucket for Apple. The App Store's raison d'être is to drive more hardware sales.
      - paulgb 10y ago
        That's not what apple tells shareholders: http://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/17/02/01/see-how-apples-services-revenue-has-grown-steadily-amid-changes-in-other-business-segments http://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/17/02/01/see-how-app...
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Not trying to be an Apple fanboy here, but at least apple can generate revenue without resorting to something this low. Guess they gotta make sure Mr. McAdam can earn his $18,000,000 check.

cdurth 10y ago

What does apple have to do with this?

ocdtrekkie 10y ago
Presumably that since Apple directly controls it's software updates, that this sort of thing doesn't occur on their platform.
- chrisper 10y ago
  Well, if you buy an unlocked phone, then it won't happen to you either. That's why I bought the Pixel from the Google Store and not through a carrier.
  - ocdtrekkie 10y ago
    Are you sure? It seems like Android 6.0 and up has features to allow carriers to deploy code to devices with their SIM cards: https://source.android.com/devices/tech/config/carrier.html https://source.android.com/devices/tech/config/carrier.html I am honestly unsure of the limits on this feature.
    - chrisper 10y ago
      It seems it just provides regular configuration stuff required for certain things. I guess they made this so that people get a good OOB experience when replacing sim cards etc.
matt_wulfeck 10y ago
They fought hard to create a platform where this type of thing doesn't/can't happen.
- Jyaif 10y ago
  closed platforms FTW!
  - wyager 10y ago
    While we're getting a bit into "flame war" territory, it's hard to argue that the current iteration of Android is an "open platform"; practically speaking, most of the useful features of the OS are hidden in the (closed) Google Play Services. Yes, you can go for a custom ROM, but not on all devices and most people don't want to deal with the effort/UX downgrade.
- cdurth 10y ago
  IMO, it is very ignorant to think they are not getting the data from apple. They just have the ability to openly do it on their own with android.
  - Karunamon 10y ago
    What makes you think they're getting the data from Apple? The entire OS is sandboxed and siloed out the proverbial wazoo, and Apple is demonstrably a very pro-privacy company that doesn't allow most forms of carrier fuckery. Apple has the power here. Verizon needs the iPhone on their network more than Apple needs to support Verizon as a carrier.
  - _jal 10y ago
    If you can demonstrate that, you could use that knowledge to make a ton of money in various ways. If you can't, bluntly, you're blowing smoke. Which is it?
    - matt_wulfeck 10y ago
      The FBI paid $1 million to "get the data from apple", and that was a phone that was several generations of hardware and software security updates old. If you have a magical iPhone exploit, there are people who will pay you a lot of money.

chrisper 10y ago

This has nothing to do with Apple vs. Google. It has more to do with Android being Open Source. So they modify Android + put the Google stuff on it (which Verizon is paying a fee for).

_jal 10y ago
But it does. Follow the money - the consequences flow directly from the differing business models. Verizon can't poison Apple's phones, because Apple profits by not selling out their customers. Google benefits from surveilling their customers, so their OS is surveillance-friendly. By piggybacking on Google's purpose-built surveillance-friendly OS, Verizon's commonality of interest with Google benefits them.
- paulgb 10y ago
  The app store is Apple's way of selling out access to their customers, it just happens to be to developers instead of advertisers. I use Android and iOS so I don't have a horse in the race, but it's disengenous to claim that Apple's business model makes it any more your device than Apple's.
  - ChrisLTD 10y ago
    App Store revenue is a drop in the bucket for Apple. The App Store's raison d'être is to drive more hardware sales.
    - paulgb 10y ago
      That's not what apple tells shareholders: http://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/17/02/01/see-how-apples-services-revenue-has-grown-steadily-amid-changes-in-other-business-segments http://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/17/02/01/see-how-app...
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