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I'd disagree pretty strongly with this. Here's a couple of NYT examples: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/us/international-students-us-colleges-trump.html htt

I'd disagree pretty strongly with this. Here's a couple of NYT examples: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/us/international-students-us-colleges-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/us/international-students... After reading this article, do you think colleges overall are seeing a significant drop in international applicants, a significant increase, or it stayed about the same? Or here's another example: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/upshot/free-market-for-education-economists-generally-dont-buy-it.html https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/upshot/free-market-for... After reading this article, what do you think about the general views of economists on school vouchers?

xname2 10y ago
Here is another example: "A Sea of Charter Schools in Detroit Leaves Students Adrift" https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/us/for-detroits-children-more-school-choice-but-not-better-schools.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/us/for-detroits-children-... According to NYT: "half the charters perform only as well, or worse than, Detroit’s traditional public schools." According to data from the cited study: Half the charters perform significantly better, around half no significant difference, a small percentage (1% in reading, 7% in math) perform significantly worse. See: https://jaypgreene.com/2016/06/29/nyt-hatchet-job-on-charters/ https://jaypgreene.com/2016/06/29/nyt-hatchet-job-on-charter...
- Bartweiss 10y ago
  Yet another: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/14/opinion/sunday/how-the-most-dangerous-place-on-earth-got-a-little-bit-safer.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/14/opinion/sunday/how-the-mo... Give that a read and try to work out when and why Honduras became the most dangerous place on Earth. The entire piece overlooks the fact that the danger is a recent issue, and the American role in propping up the government that made it happen. It's less clear-cut than bad stats, but it got them called out by a bunch of neutral groups for white-washing a major coup.
MaxfordAndSons 10y ago
What about these examples is indicative of damning bias on the NYTs part? And what are the countervailing data sources that you're cross referencing against to know that they're being misleading?
- yummyfajitas 10y ago
  The countervailing data sources are the very sources cited by the articles. For example, the actual study cited by the first article says 39% of colleges expect a decrease in international enrollments, 35% expect an increase, and the remainder expect it to be about the same. Weirdly the 35% doesn't appear in the article.

xname2 10y ago

Here is another example: "A Sea of Charter Schools in Detroit Leaves Students Adrift" https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/us/for-detroits-children-more-school-choice-but-not-better-schools.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/us/for-detroits-children-... According to NYT: "half the charters perform only as well, or worse than, Detroit’s traditional public schools." According to data from the cited study: Half the charters perform significantly better, around half no significant difference, a small percentage (1% in reading, 7% in math) perform significantly worse. See: https://jaypgreene.com/2016/06/29/nyt-hatchet-job-on-charters/ https://jaypgreene.com/2016/06/29/nyt-hatchet-job-on-charter...

Bartweiss 10y ago
Yet another: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/14/opinion/sunday/how-the-most-dangerous-place-on-earth-got-a-little-bit-safer.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/14/opinion/sunday/how-the-mo... Give that a read and try to work out when and why Honduras became the most dangerous place on Earth. The entire piece overlooks the fact that the danger is a recent issue, and the American role in propping up the government that made it happen. It's less clear-cut than bad stats, but it got them called out by a bunch of neutral groups for white-washing a major coup.

MaxfordAndSons 10y ago

What about these examples is indicative of damning bias on the NYTs part? And what are the countervailing data sources that you're cross referencing against to know that they're being misleading?

yummyfajitas 10y ago
The countervailing data sources are the very sources cited by the articles. For example, the actual study cited by the first article says 39% of colleges expect a decrease in international enrollments, 35% expect an increase, and the remainder expect it to be about the same. Weirdly the 35% doesn't appear in the article.