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- Some absolutely cannot live without it. - "finding ways to perform better" by living without it is not something that happens in real life. To the contrary,

- Some absolutely cannot live without it. - "finding ways to perform better" by living without it is not something that happens in real life. To the contrary, living without adequate financial support has been shown by many studies to lead to anxiety, mental issues and general under-performance. - It's clearly an unnecessary and disingenuous attempt to bring a loaded political agenda of your own into an otherwise innocuous discussion of programming libraries.

austincheney 10y ago
Again, I believe your opinions on this matter absolutely reinforce the analogy. I can say this with clarity and objectivity because I have had to rely on government handouts a long time ago when I had my first kiddo while being an unemployed college student only to drop out of school and work below the poverty line. Some people can figure it out and others cannot. The embarrassment and offense are very much a part of that issue as well as the imposter syndrome that is so obvious in so many developers.
- lucideer 10y ago
  Citing an anecdote (albeit your own) doesn't make you objective. I've been through the (actually exact, by your description) same experience and I'm doing fine but that doesn't translate to the generality in any way.
  - austincheney 10y ago
    On the matter of objectivity let's examine the issue and follow it through: A comment is made that correlates a popular technology opinion to a dreadful political subject. Offense ensues. Next... sadness. A couple of months ago I heard the most perfect description for such a sentiment from an army colonel to which he described such (in a broader context) as fragility. Sadness is not a valid qualifier for making a rational qualification of competencies... except in software where imposter syndrome is rampant. I will stop here. I have had this conversation numerous times in the past and for people who suffer from fragility it is generally not understandable beyond an honest disclosure of what it really is. To me welfare is the perfect analogy. For people addicted to that system no rational conversation will convince them double the work in the short term could have 10x benefits later down the road. They can't see it and don't want it. They are content and utterly reliant upon the tools provided to them.

austincheney 10y ago

Again, I believe your opinions on this matter absolutely reinforce the analogy. I can say this with clarity and objectivity because I have had to rely on government handouts a long time ago when I had my first kiddo while being an unemployed college student only to drop out of school and work below the poverty line. Some people can figure it out and others cannot. The embarrassment and offense are very much a part of that issue as well as the imposter syndrome that is so obvious in so many developers.

lucideer 10y ago
Citing an anecdote (albeit your own) doesn't make you objective. I've been through the (actually exact, by your description) same experience and I'm doing fine but that doesn't translate to the generality in any way.
- austincheney 10y ago
  On the matter of objectivity let's examine the issue and follow it through: A comment is made that correlates a popular technology opinion to a dreadful political subject. Offense ensues. Next... sadness. A couple of months ago I heard the most perfect description for such a sentiment from an army colonel to which he described such (in a broader context) as fragility. Sadness is not a valid qualifier for making a rational qualification of competencies... except in software where imposter syndrome is rampant. I will stop here. I have had this conversation numerous times in the past and for people who suffer from fragility it is generally not understandable beyond an honest disclosure of what it really is. To me welfare is the perfect analogy. For people addicted to that system no rational conversation will convince them double the work in the short term could have 10x benefits later down the road. They can't see it and don't want it. They are content and utterly reliant upon the tools provided to them.