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My biggest wish is Ubuntu (and Debian) switching from systemd to any other init system. I know that won't happen but I was asked and that's the only thing I wan
by rxlim 10y ago
My biggest wish is Ubuntu (and Debian) switching from systemd to any other init system. I know that won't happen but I was asked and that's the only thing I want, whenever you like it or not.
- marcoceppi 10y agoI'm curious what init system would you prefer?
- rxlim 10y agoI would really like to see s6 in Ubuntu, but sysvinit + OpenRC would also be fine.
- noja 10y agoWhy? You need to develop your answer.
- rxlim 10y agoI want software to be simple, well-engineered and lightweight. In my opinion systemd is the exact opposite of that. I think this page explains it well: http://suckless.org/sucks/systemd http://suckless.org/sucks/systemd In practice I have had many extremely frustrating problems with systemd including systems that suddenly became unbootable.
- j_s 10y agoThe first thing I did after reading the Ask HN was Ctrl+F 'systemd'.
- mlvljr 10y agonot only you :)
- jaromilrojo 10y agoalso check https://www.devuan.org https://www.devuan.org we are very close to release Jessie stable, backed by a vibrant community http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan For those preferring an introductory video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMvyOGawNwo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMvyOGawNwo
- rxlim 10y agoJust saw the video and must say that it has really sparked my interest in Devuan. I heard of Devuan when the fork was first announced but never gave it much notice, now is the first time I try to understand what it really is. It seems like Devuan is much more organized and well-thought than I imagined. This is music to my ears: Devuan will do its best to stay minimal and abide to the UNIX philosophy of "doing one thing and doing it well". It will foster diversity and freedom of choice among all its components and will perceive itself not as an end product, but as a a process, a starting point for developers, a viable base for sysadmins and a stable tool for people who have enough experience with computers. Devuan will never compromise for more efficiency at the cost of the freedom of its users, rather than leave that and the responsibility for a secure setup to downstream developers. I need to do much more research and of course testing, but Devuan could be light at the end of the tunnel.
- aerique 10y agoI'm poised to try out Void Linux after trying out FreeBSD (it was missing too many conveniences like Dropbox and Steam). Could you convince me why I should try Devuan instead?
- rxlim 10y agoI need to make much more research before I will convince anyone, but as a start I like the philosophy of Devuan very much. I have moved many many servers from Debian to FreeBSD after the announcement of systemd, and this has been great, but I must agree with you that on the desktop it can be a little inadequate.
- onli 10y agoThis is a big part of why I moved away from Ubuntu. I know this is a difficult situation - whenever Ubuntu tries to find a better solution it gets flak for dividing the community. But here it would have been great to have Ubuntu with an alternative to the disaster that is systemd.