3 ms·

> If Trump somehow manages not to be a criminal and a crook (which seems downright impossible) The vast surveillance apparatus of the deep state have crawled e

> If Trump somehow manages not to be a criminal and a crook (which seems downright impossible) The vast surveillance apparatus of the deep state have crawled everything they have on Donald Trump and all they could come up with was some locker room banter from 11 years ago. The man is straight as an arrow and has been for decades. > Now: other than bluster, what is there actually about this "Russia" probe? What exactly are we investigating? Whether Russia was involved in "fake news" stories? Whether Russia was involved in releasing emails from the DNC? Emails which revealed terrible, immature, anti-democratic conduct? The "Russia hacked the election" narrative doesn't include, AFAIK, accusations that they stuffed ballot boxes or anything, right? Stop asking questions. RUSSIA HACKED THE ELECTION! That's all you need to know. Quite how they subverted the voting apparatus of nearly 3000 counties is not a question you need to ask right now.

i2amsam 10y ago
I expect you're receiving downvotes (not from me) because you're introducing a strawman argument. The issue under investigation is if there was collusion between members of Trump's campaign and foreign operatives to, e.g. time releases or coordinate messaging, not attack the voting apparatus. The fact that the national security advisor lied to the VP about discussions with Russia (for which he was fired) and now will only testify under oath with immunity suggest that there indeed may be something worth investigating there.
- camperman 10y ago
  > I expect you're receiving downvotes (not from me) because you're introducing a strawman argument. I didn't introduce it - the parent did. I'm being downvoted because this is a left-leaning board. Shrug. > The fact that the national security advisor lied to the VP about discussions with Russia (for which he was fired) and now will only testify under oath with immunity suggest that there indeed may be something worth investigating there. He resigned but yes, he should be investigated.

i2amsam 10y ago

I expect you're receiving downvotes (not from me) because you're introducing a strawman argument. The issue under investigation is if there was collusion between members of Trump's campaign and foreign operatives to, e.g. time releases or coordinate messaging, not attack the voting apparatus. The fact that the national security advisor lied to the VP about discussions with Russia (for which he was fired) and now will only testify under oath with immunity suggest that there indeed may be something worth investigating there.

camperman 10y ago
> I expect you're receiving downvotes (not from me) because you're introducing a strawman argument. I didn't introduce it - the parent did. I'm being downvoted because this is a left-leaning board. Shrug. > The fact that the national security advisor lied to the VP about discussions with Russia (for which he was fired) and now will only testify under oath with immunity suggest that there indeed may be something worth investigating there. He resigned but yes, he should be investigated.