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>> Emanuel Swedenborg was a mystic. > Who isn't? In the sense that we are all spiritual beings, sure. In the sense that it is a normative belief that mystics

by hosh 10y ago

>> Emanuel Swedenborg was a mystic. > Who isn't? In the sense that we are all spiritual beings, sure. In the sense that it is a normative belief that mystics are special, and that there are only a few people who experience it, lots of people are not mystics. > Of course they exist "in every human". Not news. And it is not "more accurate" to generalize what is a very clear cut indication by his own dream. We even have a name. I think you are confusing some things. It is not a clear-cut indication by his own dreams. It is a dream. Stuff comes up from it. There may be ego-resistance, and there may not be in that particular one. Dreamwork does not just involve the plot and the symbols, but also the tone and emotional energy underlying that. He might have felt depressed. He might have felt angered or scared. He might have felt inspired by that image. Do you know how he felt? I don't. As far as it is "news", there is a normative belief that homosexuality is something only certain people possess. > The fact that he was not yet prepared to consciously confront the monumental task of full spiritual integration, that in fact his "ego" fears "castration", is also quite clear by that specific dream. That dream pretty much outs him as /a beginner/ on the path of awakening, as a matter of fac What you are saying doesn't make sense. He was in the process of the integration. There is no such thing as being prepared or not be prepared. When it happens, it happens. Sometimes there is more ego-resistance, and sometimes there is less ego-existance. That dream does not necessarily indicate he is a beginner.

eternalban 10y ago
> In the sense that it is a normative belief that mystics are special, and that there are only a few people who experience it, lots of people are not mystics. How can you possibly know that there are "only a few people" who have mystic experience? The sign of a 'realized' mystic is not but 'silence'. As for the rest of us, we advertise and some even manage to make a business out of it :) > As far as it is "news", there is a normative belief that homosexuality is something only certain people possess. That was clearly in reference to your Kundalini remark. I addressed the specific repression elsewhere. Nor did I confuse a carnal act with spiritual love. > What you are saying doesn't make sense. He was in the process of the integration. There is no such thing as being prepared or not be prepared. When it happens, it happens. Integration happens like "a bolt of lightning". That is the journey's end. And the journey most assuredly requires "preparation": https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25&version=KJV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25&vers...
- hosh 10y ago
  Integration doesn't happen like a "bolt of lightning". There are different ways it can happen. For some people it takes a while and for others, it does not. There is an excellent discussion about that in Christopher Wallis's book, Tantra Illuminated. It does not require preparation. The idea that you can "prepare" for this is part of the ego-belief of being in control of the process. You are not awakening Kundalini. Kundalini Shakti is awakening you. "Ready" or not, here it is. You are not the musician playing the music; you are the music being played. Whether you are shaman or yogi, monk or priest... There are many variants of this story. Some people "prepare", and others resist that call. Some people prepare and never get the call. For others, it spontaneously happen. None of that is within your control. At the end, the best kind of "preparation" is letting go. As for the "few people" remark, I didn't say there are only "a few people". I said it is a normative belief. > The sign of a 'realized' mystic is not but 'silence' No, it is not. Now, as far as this: >> As far as it is "news", there is a normative belief that homosexuality is something only certain people possess. > That was clearly in reference to your Kundalini remark. I addressed the specific repression elsewhere. Nor did I confuse a carnal act with spiritual love. No, it is not clear. It might seem clear to you. It is not clear to me. The confusion I was referring to was not confusing the carnal act with spiritual love. I don't how or why you are linking those, but very well. It seems to me, you think a lot of things are clear to you, and you have some firm opinions about things. The first stage of awakening will seem like that. It's brilliant, and seems to touch truth from the absolute. It feels great, like one can see everything from above, like one can remain untouched and unstained by the material world. In alchemy, that would be the second of three stages. The stage after that is much more painful if one continues to cling to the belief that one can remain untouched and uninvolved. It often takes a few years to process through that, but more in some, less in others. Touch the Sky God when you ascend, but all flying birds come back to the Earth Goddess's embrace. Kundalini comes back down after first ascending up past the crown.
  - eternalban 10y ago
    Every single authentic spiritual school before the age of Deepak Chupra affirms integration happens at an instant. > It seems to me, you think a lot of things are clear to you, and you have some firm opinions about things. The first stage of awakening will seem like that. Please do not patronize me. You do not know me.

by hosh 10y ago

eternalban 10y ago

> In the sense that it is a normative belief that mystics are special, and that there are only a few people who experience it, lots of people are not mystics. How can you possibly know that there are "only a few people" who have mystic experience? The sign of a 'realized' mystic is not but 'silence'. As for the rest of us, we advertise and some even manage to make a business out of it :) > As far as it is "news", there is a normative belief that homosexuality is something only certain people possess. That was clearly in reference to your Kundalini remark. I addressed the specific repression elsewhere. Nor did I confuse a carnal act with spiritual love. > What you are saying doesn't make sense. He was in the process of the integration. There is no such thing as being prepared or not be prepared. When it happens, it happens. Integration happens like "a bolt of lightning". That is the journey's end. And the journey most assuredly requires "preparation": https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25&version=KJV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25&vers...

hosh 10y ago
Integration doesn't happen like a "bolt of lightning". There are different ways it can happen. For some people it takes a while and for others, it does not. There is an excellent discussion about that in Christopher Wallis's book, Tantra Illuminated. It does not require preparation. The idea that you can "prepare" for this is part of the ego-belief of being in control of the process. You are not awakening Kundalini. Kundalini Shakti is awakening you. "Ready" or not, here it is. You are not the musician playing the music; you are the music being played. Whether you are shaman or yogi, monk or priest... There are many variants of this story. Some people "prepare", and others resist that call. Some people prepare and never get the call. For others, it spontaneously happen. None of that is within your control. At the end, the best kind of "preparation" is letting go. As for the "few people" remark, I didn't say there are only "a few people". I said it is a normative belief. > The sign of a 'realized' mystic is not but 'silence' No, it is not. Now, as far as this: >> As far as it is "news", there is a normative belief that homosexuality is something only certain people possess. > That was clearly in reference to your Kundalini remark. I addressed the specific repression elsewhere. Nor did I confuse a carnal act with spiritual love. No, it is not clear. It might seem clear to you. It is not clear to me. The confusion I was referring to was not confusing the carnal act with spiritual love. I don't how or why you are linking those, but very well. It seems to me, you think a lot of things are clear to you, and you have some firm opinions about things. The first stage of awakening will seem like that. It's brilliant, and seems to touch truth from the absolute. It feels great, like one can see everything from above, like one can remain untouched and unstained by the material world. In alchemy, that would be the second of three stages. The stage after that is much more painful if one continues to cling to the belief that one can remain untouched and uninvolved. It often takes a few years to process through that, but more in some, less in others. Touch the Sky God when you ascend, but all flying birds come back to the Earth Goddess's embrace. Kundalini comes back down after first ascending up past the crown.
- eternalban 10y ago
  Every single authentic spiritual school before the age of Deepak Chupra affirms integration happens at an instant. > It seems to me, you think a lot of things are clear to you, and you have some firm opinions about things. The first stage of awakening will seem like that. Please do not patronize me. You do not know me.