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Lesson of the day: Keep out of politics if you're not on the "correct" side. If he walks away from VR we've all lost something.

nebabyte 10y ago
I'll live. Hell, I was never big into VR anyway, this could even be good for me.
FireBeyond 10y ago
Or, "if you're a public figure, or plan a public campaign supporting someone who is controversial, don't expect there to be zero criticism of your position because it's somehow sacred".
- odessacubbage 10y ago
  it's sort of strange that a mainstream candidate with enough support to win the whole election is considered controversial, plenty public figures endorsed hilary and none received the level of backlash that palmer did. max temkin even funded a similarly cringey billboard campaign: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-09-23-report-oculus-rift-creator-palmer-luckey-secretly-funded-pro-trump-meme-website http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-09-23-report-oculus-r... http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-10-15-anti-trump-ad-alleges-candidate-mains-hanzo-in-overwatch http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-10-15-anti-trump-ad-a... unless we are to enforce a standard of public apoliticism for public figures across the board, uniquely singling out endorsements on one side regardless of wealth doesn't seem like a good way to generate effective discourse
  - andybak 10y ago
    It's too early to say but history might have a different view on this. I do think Trump is an anomaly. I certainly hope he isn't a trend.
  - DonHopkins 10y ago
    I don't remember seeing and hearing any video tapes of Hillary bragging about sexually assaulting anyone.
    - contergan 10y ago
      Right, just recordings of her bragging and laughing about getting a child rapist off scott-free.
      - DonHopkins 10y ago
        You should fact check your fake news [1] before parroting it, when you try to justify Trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy without their consent [2] by making a false equivalence. An no, that wasn't just "locker room talk", so don't parrot that line either. [1] http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/clintons-1975-rape-case/ http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/clintons-1975-rape-case/ [2] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/read-donald-trumps-lewd-remarks-about-women-on-days-of-our-lives-set-2005-groping-star-a7351381.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/read-donald...
      - DonHopkins 10y ago
        Wowee, I looked at your posting history, and all those racist and sexist remarks you've made certainly shed light on where you're coming from and what you believe, and why you follow the people whose lies you parrot. So don't bother trying to defend Trump sexual assaulting women by parroting pizzagate conspiracy theories, either. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9058169 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9058169
  - FireBeyond 10y ago
    > plenty public figures endorsed hilary and none received the level of backlash No? You don't recall the decrying of "Hollywood elites" by right wing media and supporters? > uniquely singling out endorsements on one side regardless of wealth doesn't seem like a good way to generate effective discourse I am only obligated to commentate on endorsements that I agree or disagree with. I have no "fair time doctrine", and nor should I have to.
    - cookiecaper 9y ago
      >No? You don't recall the decrying of "Hollywood elites" by right wing media and supporters? This is generalized, and it's not an active campaign of literal harassment to make it difficult for specific individuals to work. For whatever reason, the Right is much less interested in seeing their political enemies suffer than the Left. Perhaps it's because the Right sees the Left as naive, whereas the Left sees the Right as human garbage. The literal inventor of JavaScript, totally irreplaceable and undeniably the most qualified person for his role, is forced out from Mozilla over a campaign contribution to another mainstream political cause (which also won). He had silently made that contribution 7 years prior, and it was only discovered due to campaign finance disclosure laws. Major sites like OKCupid ran blackouts against Firefox users to punish them for running a browser associated with Brendan Eich. Unlike Luckey, he was not trying to get involved publicly, and only quietly exercises his rights as a citizen. Now, the guy who "kickstarted" the multi-billion-dollar modern VR revolution is harassed and chased out of his position for committing a slightly-more-public form of heresy against the Silicon Valley dogma. The "criticisms" are not comparable across the aisle.
bluthru 10y ago
Tech sphere: "After Trump's win, we need to get out of our bubble and learn about what others are thinking in America." What about engaging public figures in your industry who are Trump supporters? Tech sphere: "Palmer needs to lose his job." Why does diversity initiatives never seem to care about diversity of political opinions? Isn't a diversity of perspectives one of the reasons for diversity? Tech sphere: "..."
- badsock 10y ago
  If you haven't heard anyone address that point, you haven't looked very hard. It's an (IMO) important part of the left-wing philosophy to be intolerant of intolerance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
  - bluthru 10y ago
    How is funding a pro-Trump non-profit intolerant? I voted for Bernie in the primary and Hillary in the general, but the hypocrisy of Zuckerberg publishing his travels to rural America like he's a politician while Palmer is pushed out of his company is too much.
    - srtjstjsj 10y ago
      It wasn't just "pro-Trump". It was self-proclaimed shitposting: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/22/palmer-luckey-the-facebook-billionaire-secretly-funding-trump-s-meme-machine.html?via=twitter_page http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/22/palmer-luck...
      - bluthru 10y ago
        How is that different than a donor giving money to a SuperPAC to display a billboard? Should your employer care what non-profits you give money to?
    - badsock 10y ago
      I'm mostly responding to your "Why does diversity initiatives never seem to care about diversity of political opinions?" question. I'm saying that it's legitimate for diversity initives to not support all political positions in the name of diversity. Yes, it's a paradox, but it's not something that hasn't been addressed. And, yes, the Trump ticket was intolerant. You can make the argument solely on the grounds of the anti-muslim rhetoric, not to mention his running mate's public views on gay rights.

nebabyte 10y ago

I'll live. Hell, I was never big into VR anyway, this could even be good for me.

FireBeyond 10y ago

Or, "if you're a public figure, or plan a public campaign supporting someone who is controversial, don't expect there to be zero criticism of your position because it's somehow sacred".

odessacubbage 10y ago
it's sort of strange that a mainstream candidate with enough support to win the whole election is considered controversial, plenty public figures endorsed hilary and none received the level of backlash that palmer did. max temkin even funded a similarly cringey billboard campaign: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-09-23-report-oculus-rift-creator-palmer-luckey-secretly-funded-pro-trump-meme-website http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-09-23-report-oculus-r... http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-10-15-anti-trump-ad-alleges-candidate-mains-hanzo-in-overwatch http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-10-15-anti-trump-ad-a... unless we are to enforce a standard of public apoliticism for public figures across the board, uniquely singling out endorsements on one side regardless of wealth doesn't seem like a good way to generate effective discourse
- andybak 10y ago
  It's too early to say but history might have a different view on this. I do think Trump is an anomaly. I certainly hope he isn't a trend.
- DonHopkins 10y ago
  I don't remember seeing and hearing any video tapes of Hillary bragging about sexually assaulting anyone.
  - contergan 10y ago
    Right, just recordings of her bragging and laughing about getting a child rapist off scott-free.
    - DonHopkins 10y ago
      You should fact check your fake news [1] before parroting it, when you try to justify Trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy without their consent [2] by making a false equivalence. An no, that wasn't just "locker room talk", so don't parrot that line either. [1] http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/clintons-1975-rape-case/ http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/clintons-1975-rape-case/ [2] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/read-donald-trumps-lewd-remarks-about-women-on-days-of-our-lives-set-2005-groping-star-a7351381.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/read-donald...
    - DonHopkins 10y ago
      Wowee, I looked at your posting history, and all those racist and sexist remarks you've made certainly shed light on where you're coming from and what you believe, and why you follow the people whose lies you parrot. So don't bother trying to defend Trump sexual assaulting women by parroting pizzagate conspiracy theories, either. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9058169 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9058169
- FireBeyond 10y ago
  > plenty public figures endorsed hilary and none received the level of backlash No? You don't recall the decrying of "Hollywood elites" by right wing media and supporters? > uniquely singling out endorsements on one side regardless of wealth doesn't seem like a good way to generate effective discourse I am only obligated to commentate on endorsements that I agree or disagree with. I have no "fair time doctrine", and nor should I have to.
  - cookiecaper 9y ago
    >No? You don't recall the decrying of "Hollywood elites" by right wing media and supporters? This is generalized, and it's not an active campaign of literal harassment to make it difficult for specific individuals to work. For whatever reason, the Right is much less interested in seeing their political enemies suffer than the Left. Perhaps it's because the Right sees the Left as naive, whereas the Left sees the Right as human garbage. The literal inventor of JavaScript, totally irreplaceable and undeniably the most qualified person for his role, is forced out from Mozilla over a campaign contribution to another mainstream political cause (which also won). He had silently made that contribution 7 years prior, and it was only discovered due to campaign finance disclosure laws. Major sites like OKCupid ran blackouts against Firefox users to punish them for running a browser associated with Brendan Eich. Unlike Luckey, he was not trying to get involved publicly, and only quietly exercises his rights as a citizen. Now, the guy who "kickstarted" the multi-billion-dollar modern VR revolution is harassed and chased out of his position for committing a slightly-more-public form of heresy against the Silicon Valley dogma. The "criticisms" are not comparable across the aisle.

bluthru 10y ago

Tech sphere: "After Trump's win, we need to get out of our bubble and learn about what others are thinking in America." What about engaging public figures in your industry who are Trump supporters? Tech sphere: "Palmer needs to lose his job." Why does diversity initiatives never seem to care about diversity of political opinions? Isn't a diversity of perspectives one of the reasons for diversity? Tech sphere: "..."

badsock 10y ago
If you haven't heard anyone address that point, you haven't looked very hard. It's an (IMO) important part of the left-wing philosophy to be intolerant of intolerance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
- bluthru 10y ago
  How is funding a pro-Trump non-profit intolerant? I voted for Bernie in the primary and Hillary in the general, but the hypocrisy of Zuckerberg publishing his travels to rural America like he's a politician while Palmer is pushed out of his company is too much.
  - srtjstjsj 10y ago
    It wasn't just "pro-Trump". It was self-proclaimed shitposting: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/22/palmer-luckey-the-facebook-billionaire-secretly-funding-trump-s-meme-machine.html?via=twitter_page http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/22/palmer-luck...
    - bluthru 10y ago
      How is that different than a donor giving money to a SuperPAC to display a billboard? Should your employer care what non-profits you give money to?
  - badsock 10y ago
    I'm mostly responding to your "Why does diversity initiatives never seem to care about diversity of political opinions?" question. I'm saying that it's legitimate for diversity initives to not support all political positions in the name of diversity. Yes, it's a paradox, but it's not something that hasn't been addressed. And, yes, the Trump ticket was intolerant. You can make the argument solely on the grounds of the anti-muslim rhetoric, not to mention his running mate's public views on gay rights.