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As a counterpoint to this, my second year in CS had four papers (Programming, Data Structures and C, Operating Systems, and Networks). The course was being rev
by dvtv75 10y ago
As a counterpoint to this, my second year in CS had four papers (Programming, Data Structures and C, Operating Systems, and Networks). The course was being revamped one year at a time, and right at the beginning of second year there was a problem with the workload:
they had set the load and level for Programming to final year level. A dozen (out of 140ish students) dropped out by the end of the first week, and by the end of the course (13 weeks long) more than half of the students had dropped out, and just 37 were in a position to pass. I don't mean that they had completed the work necessary to pass, but they could conceivably do so by the final due date for the course.
I don't know how many actually passed, but of the 37, not everyone did. It was so bad that they had to drop the prerequisites and allow in anybody who had completed the other papers just so there could actually be a final year (three year Bachelor of Science).
Funnily enough, they refused to refund any fees, even though the person in charge of the course was eventually fired over the mess - one that he didn't even create! He was handed the course and workload, and told "This is it, this is how you must teach it." We were all told "Suck it up and do it." Even the teaching staff had told the professors that it was a badly designed course, which didn't go down well.
I passed that paper, failed all my others (no refund: I was told I should just have worked harder than double the standard semester workload), and burned out. Not one of us paid intending to be part of their incompetence. Had I known how badly put together the course was, I would have dropped out in the first week as well. If I wanted the Honors workload, I would have entered the Honors program.
- asafira 10y agoRegarding this comment, I have a general broad question for the HN community: I honestly find it hard to strike a balance between being extremely cautious in my writing/responses, and being straight-forward and clear. What is the right balance? In this case, of course I don't mean to say that every class in existence follows this grade vs. effort plot. There are absolutely incredibly difficult classes where this is not true, and you need a lot of effort just to pass. The fact of the matter is that this is absolutely not true in general. I didn't mention that in my comment, but I totally agree there are counterexamples of classes, it's just that the vast majority of classes follow the trend of being pretty easy to just pass (considering classes of all disciplines here --- for example, I know many people that have taken literature courses, pulled an all-nighter before each paper due date, otherwise didn't work at all, and passed. All together the class took maybe 30 hours of work outside the classroom for the entire semester!)