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A lot of confusing points to this story. I'm not defending AirBnB, but this story does baffle on a number of levels. > (they came with a professional sound sy

A lot of confusing points to this story. I'm not defending AirBnB, but this story does baffle on a number of levels. > (they came with a professional sound system) How do you not see this coming, from a host perspective? Big red flag. How this get anywhere near as far as it did? "Well I figured the professional sound system was going to be fine in my apartment complex." > Neighbors called the police five times and some partiers left, but most remained and locked themselves inside to continue partying. If the police want to enter a home, and the owner of the home agrees to it, since when do the people in the home get a say as to whether or not the police can/cannot enter? AirBnB handled this very poorly, but why is AirBnB fully responsible for this? I get that they're trying to attract people to put their homes on their service, and they offer to be responsible, but why can't Dinulescu go after the idiots who did this to his apartment directly? Why can't AirBnB do that? How can a person go into another person's home, as a guest, do something like this, and not be held responsible, either civilly or criminally?

CptJamesCook 10y ago
Airbnb is at fault because they do nothing to discourage partying on the platform. As a host, I am in a never-ending battle to keep partiers out of my home.
- diminoten 10y ago
  Okay sure, that's a fair point, but are you really not finding this story to be fairly incredible? I just find it astounding that a group of partiers could possibly even lock themselves in a home they're being kicked out of and the police wouldn't be able to dislodge them, and then on top of that none of the partiers would be charged or held responsible in any way. I guess I'd rely on my government to protect me at this point, to some degree.
supercanuck 10y ago
> but why is AirBnB fully responsible for this? Because they are literally committing to it as part of their service offering: >We’re committed to creating a safe and trusted community around the world. Though property damage is rare, we understand you may need protection. The Host Guarantee will reimburse eligible hosts for damages up to $1,000,000. a https://www.airbnb.com/guarantee https://www.airbnb.com/guarantee
- diminoten 10y ago
  Yes, I did say I get that.
roddux 10y ago
I would assume that the host/Observer only found out about the professional sound system after the party! Not exactly something a shady guest would inform the host about up front. I am also puzzled why the guest isn't being pursued for the damages, though. Surely AirBnB can pull up the guest's reservation information and pass it to the authorities? This would seem a fair response given that the police were called so many times.
cortesoft 10y ago
The reason Dinulescu doesn't go after the idiots directly is the same reason you go through insurance companies when there is damage - because that is the service you are paying them for. Now, AirBnB can absolutely go after the guests, but they have to decide if it is worth it. It is going to cost resources and money (probably more than the $8000 they are paying), and there is still a good chance that the guests won't be able to pay them back anyway. It is probably not worth it.
- diminoten 10y ago
  That's a good point, but still shouldn't these people be held criminally liable? I feel like they went well above what any local law would allow for their behavior.
  - cortesoft 10y ago
    Well that would be up to the police - private citizens/corporations don't press criminal charges.
  - amyjess 10y ago
    The police should really go out of their way to make examples out of the partiers. Charge them for every single act of vandalism, drug use, public intoxication, public urination, assault, battery, disturbing the peace, etc., and seek the maximum sentence for every one of them. And for the official guests who actually rented the room and threw the party, charge them under organized crime and racketeering laws. After all, they organized a group of people to come to a rental property and commit numerous crimes. The police's explicit goal should be to Swartz them.
bigtimeidiot 10y ago
>but why can't Dinulescu go after the idiots who did this to his apartment directly? Do you think it's easier to chase down a few random citizens, or a multi-billion dollar company that accepts liability for damages?

CptJamesCook 10y ago

Airbnb is at fault because they do nothing to discourage partying on the platform. As a host, I am in a never-ending battle to keep partiers out of my home.

diminoten 10y ago
Okay sure, that's a fair point, but are you really not finding this story to be fairly incredible? I just find it astounding that a group of partiers could possibly even lock themselves in a home they're being kicked out of and the police wouldn't be able to dislodge them, and then on top of that none of the partiers would be charged or held responsible in any way. I guess I'd rely on my government to protect me at this point, to some degree.

supercanuck 10y ago

> but why is AirBnB fully responsible for this? Because they are literally committing to it as part of their service offering: >We’re committed to creating a safe and trusted community around the world. Though property damage is rare, we understand you may need protection. The Host Guarantee will reimburse eligible hosts for damages up to $1,000,000. a https://www.airbnb.com/guarantee https://www.airbnb.com/guarantee

diminoten 10y ago
Yes, I did say I get that.

roddux 10y ago

I would assume that the host/Observer only found out about the professional sound system after the party! Not exactly something a shady guest would inform the host about up front. I am also puzzled why the guest isn't being pursued for the damages, though. Surely AirBnB can pull up the guest's reservation information and pass it to the authorities? This would seem a fair response given that the police were called so many times.

cortesoft 10y ago

The reason Dinulescu doesn't go after the idiots directly is the same reason you go through insurance companies when there is damage - because that is the service you are paying them for. Now, AirBnB can absolutely go after the guests, but they have to decide if it is worth it. It is going to cost resources and money (probably more than the $8000 they are paying), and there is still a good chance that the guests won't be able to pay them back anyway. It is probably not worth it.

diminoten 10y ago
That's a good point, but still shouldn't these people be held criminally liable? I feel like they went well above what any local law would allow for their behavior.
- cortesoft 10y ago
  Well that would be up to the police - private citizens/corporations don't press criminal charges.
- amyjess 10y ago
  The police should really go out of their way to make examples out of the partiers. Charge them for every single act of vandalism, drug use, public intoxication, public urination, assault, battery, disturbing the peace, etc., and seek the maximum sentence for every one of them. And for the official guests who actually rented the room and threw the party, charge them under organized crime and racketeering laws. After all, they organized a group of people to come to a rental property and commit numerous crimes. The police's explicit goal should be to Swartz them.

bigtimeidiot 10y ago

>but why can't Dinulescu go after the idiots who did this to his apartment directly? Do you think it's easier to chase down a few random citizens, or a multi-billion dollar company that accepts liability for damages?